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Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by pmoriarty »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #16
Wonnk13 wrote: post #2

Been seeing a lot of Psilocybin on the front of HN lately and I'm loving it. With Oregon legalizing it, I can't wait to try it out.

I have a neutral opinion on Psilocybin in general, but beware the selection bias in internet comment sections. Positive comments get upvoted and praised, negative experiences get dismissed with a mix of victim blaming (usually "set and setting" comments) or explained away as exacerbating pre-existing underlying conditions. Eventually those with bad experiences give up on participating in discussions. It does appear t…

"beware the selection bias in internet comment sections. Positive comments get upvoted and praised, negative experiences get dismissed with a mix of victim blaming (usually "set and setting" comments) or explained away as exacerbating pre-existing underlying conditions."

What you describe is pretty much the opposite of what this thread was like.

Negative comments (including your own) got upvoted, and there are hardly any positive comments in this thread at all.

Yes, there were some who talked of negative experiences being due to set and setting or exacerbating pre-existing underlying conditions, but plenty of other comments did not.

Which isn't to say that those explanations are wrong.

You say explaining negative experiences as being the result of set and setting is "victim blaming". Do you deny the enormous role that set and setting play in what experiences one has on psychedelics? If so, you're flying in the face of pretty much all research done on psychedelics for many decades -- which is huge amount of research, especially in the early years, before they were made illegal, and the more recent research supports it.

If you take psychedelics with the wrong set and setting you are pretty much guaranteeing you'll have a bad experience. That is as close to an incontrovertible fact as anything we know about psychedelics.

Educating people on the role of set and setting should be encouraged, because it can help lead to better outcomes. Trying to silence it by branding simple education "victim blaming" would just lead to more people having negative experiences due to ignorance, which we really don't need any more of.

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by filoeleven »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #65

I wonder how this will play with drug laws in various jurisdictions? AIUI, in some (most?) places the mushrooms themselves are banned, not the psilocybin compound itself.

In the US, it’s explicitly psilocybin (and maybe psilocin too) that is federally banned. This is why you can still legally buy spores of the mushrooms that contain it: the compound does not exist in the spores. This is almost certainly due to an oversight when the law was written.

Legality is weird. In the Netherlands, over 100 species of psilocybin-containing mushrooms were banned. But the law there bans only the fruiting bodies, it does not ban other parts of the organism. A few species form truffles—a sterile mycelia mass for energy storage, kind of like its version of a potato—that still contain psilocybin. Those can still be legally bought, probably because of a similar oversight in the law.

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by klondike_klive »

Pelic4n wrote: post #84
therealx wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can alleviate a lot of your anxiety (as far as you can without hacking the anxiety itself with, say, cbt) by being in tune with your body and not ignoring potential early symptoms of conditions that leave these lasting effects. Combine that with only doing "allergy" doses first (think, peanut dust that would trigger your throat to swell, but not close as if you had taken a spoonfull of peanut butter), and…

I have benzos as a safety net during my trips, and it occured to me that it may be a really bad idea to take them. During a trip I lived what people describe as an "ego death", where I saw myself disappearing and dying, and it was the most frightening experience of my life. Not only was I completely unable to take a benzo at this point, but it is very much a death and rebirth movement as described by Leary in the psy…

I'm imagining a "Do not shutdown while OS is installing" message pulsing in mid-air...

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by triceratops »

andrevoget wrote: post #36
triceratops wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does calling it r/Outside instead of just "outside" have any particular significance in the context of psychedelic substances? Just curious why you're using "r/Outside" specifically.

It's a reference to the forum r/Outside on reddit.com

Is that subreddit dedicated to psychedelics?

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by dm03514 »

pampa wrote: post #89
dm03514 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is happening to me right now! I just took edibles daily for ~5 weeks. I haven't taken them for ~1.5 weeks and my perception has completely changed. They pulled me out of my head and thoughts, I am now much more aware of my body sensations and visually aware of the things around me, colors, angles, layouts. It feels like a completely different world. In my early 20's I had similar experience that I would have abs…

Were you microdosing?

5mg indica. It got me functionally stoned. I'd only do it in evenings/night. I couldn't work, but I could still read for leisure, drive, run/exercise.

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by [deleted] »

klondike_klive wrote: post #93
Pelic4n wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have benzos as a safety net during my trips, and it occured to me that it may be a really bad idea to take them. During a trip I lived what people describe as an "ego death", where I saw myself disappearing and dying, and it was the most frightening experience of my life. Not only was I completely unable to take a benzo at this point, but it is very much a death and rebirth movement as described by Leary in the psy…

I'm imagining a "Do not shutdown while OS is installing" message pulsing in mid-air...

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Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by blodkorv »

Pelic4n wrote: post #56
blodkorv wrote: post #45

I have three friends who all have or have had hppd. I find this lax attitude of psilocybin worrying especially when nobody seems to warn about the dangers of hppd. One friend of mine had it for 6months and was lucky that it passed away, the two others are in a living hell and will never have a normal life again. I know its supposed to be rare, but the amount of people i read of having some form of it is too many for…

>The two others are in a living hell and will never have a normal life again. With that degree of seriousness it can be not HPPD but underlying psychosis or schizophrenia that has been activated by the drug. It happens with cannabis too. I hope they are followed by a psychiatrist and on proper medication. I agree with you. I believe psychedelics open a door in in the brain that can never close back. A lot of people h…

No they had no mental problems prior to it. One of them has constant visual snow combined with hallucination like visions, the first year it was a great source of anxiety and depression. now that has settled, but not being able to focus on text and music because of the visual snow and other issues really makes his life not normal.

My other friend also have visual snow and a constant dulling of his mind.

They did not take big doses and never had major problems before this.

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by hutzlibu »

tolbish wrote: post #42
jtsuken wrote: post #33

I doubt this product has a future. I imagine a typical psylocibin user to be anti-GMO.

I don't think anti-GMO is really a thing anymore.

Then you probaly should change your bubble.

At least here in germany, there are lots of products proudly claiming to be GMO free.

(which they actually are not, as a certain percentage is allowed by law but to still have that label)

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by hutzlibu »

kstenerud wrote: post #87
AntiImperialist wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which GMO species are invasive? Specifically - it is impossible to know until they play out in particular eco-systems, just like with any other species. There is a reason why many organizations worldwide are working to forbid transporting certain species in and out of different habitats. Potentially - all of them. > And how do you know which genetic coercion methods pose a greater danger of mutating a non-invasive…

> Potentially - all of them. This would apply to artificial selection as well - perhaps even more so since you've no real control over what mutations are happening. Every new evolutionary competition edge a species receives is followed by an "invasion" phase where their newfound superpower allows them to take over for a few hundred thousand generations. > If taking a species to a different island where it is not nati…

"Now if someone were to attempt to make a weed-proof AND bug-proof crop that can ALSO survive and thrive in non-cultivated terrain, THEN I'd be worried"

Me too, but most industrial farmers would probably celebrate.

But I doubt this can happen any time soon. Ecology is complex.

Re: Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha

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Post by JacobSuperslav »

blodkorv wrote: post #45

I have three friends who all have or have had hppd. I find this lax attitude of psilocybin worrying especially when nobody seems to warn about the dangers of hppd. One friend of mine had it for 6months and was lucky that it passed away, the two others are in a living hell and will never have a normal life again. I know its supposed to be rare, but the amount of people i read of having some form of it is too many for…

I love my LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline, but I agree with you. And this is the result of the war on drugs. If these things were legal we would know more about these dangers.

There is also the fact that both LSD and psilocybin activate the 5-HT2B receptor, which is linked to the formation of 'valvular strands', which can lead to valvular heart disease, potentially. And almost nobody is talking about this!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17950805/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19505264/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21440001/

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