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How to Think for Yourself

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Re: How to Think for Yourself

#521
I had two of those thoughts today, that would probably get me ostracized from society if I expressed them freely.

Earlier today I overheard a teen girl with a giant behind, talking with her friend how she wants to go home and do nothing, to her obese friend, on a Friday. Sorry but this is not how teenagers acted in the past. And its not normal that so many young people are morbidly obese, stay at home do nothings.

People are stumbling along and nobody notices how fat everyone is around here, as if its all fine, but maybe they notice but too afraid to speak up. But really its not fine, its actually pretty horrible. And is probably an indication of some sort of toxicity. Maybe like lead poisoning from lead pipes.

I also draw a line, I don't think we should be wearing space suits to live on this planet. Sorry if that means people will die from exposure to disease. But thats not the path I want humanity to take.

Independent thinkers can often come off as lacking empathy. Expressing empathy is very important in communication, especially If you want to be liked by other people. But as society, I think its crutch too. Its not that I don't think we have too much empathy. I think we use empathy to cover up problems, which can be solved. A little temporary pain, can reduce suffering in the long run.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowhere in the essay does he argue that the three qualities of independent thinkers are exclusive to startup founders. You clearly feel some type of way about Paul Graham.

While I may not necessarily be as harsh as the commenter you are responding do, I will say that I am starting to feel a certain way about pg, and it's much less positive than it was 5-10 years ago. I feel like a common thread in his most recent essays has been separating people into, for lack of a better term, "desirables" vs. "undesirables". True, he doesn't use those terms, and he often couches the language he uses…

100%. I've gotten that impression about everything him and his protege Sam say since the first time I read anything they wrote. It's like their mantra. It's so tiring.

"Surround yourself with smart people, cut out anyone who doesn't inspire you to move fast and break things."

What about my fucking parents? What about the friends I grew up with who have ordinary jobs that aren't pushing the boundaries of human innovation? Should I ditch them all because they didn't found Airbnb?

The pretentiousness of it is really tiring, and it's the one aspect of the hacker news community that I dislike: this constant Kool-Aid drinking that unless you've somehow impacted the system we all live in, you aren't really worthwhile.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#523
I mean say what you will about a article telling people how to think for themselves, but I think this framework from paul is pretty good:

independent-mindedness ...has three components: fastidiousness about truth, resistance to being told what to think, and curiosity.

Truth Skepticsm Curiosity

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#524
It's always going to be a tiny number of people that'll be the principal cause of progress, along with the rest of us being reasonable enough and simply go along with it.

Independent thinking is hard, that's why the majority of people will opt instead to adopt the common thinking of the group of their choice - a choice that comes principally from feelings.

One can be perfectly happy however, regardless on which category they belong, as long as they are comfortable with their choice.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

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" Ditto for essayists. An essay that told people things they already knew would be boring. You have to tell them something new. " How come I know exactly where this essay is going? It is yet another "start-up founders are genetically, intellectually, and emotionally superior; the rest of the muggles are so envious." Does Paul think everyone except startup founders works on an assembly line? " You see this especially…

> How come I know exactly where this essay is going? This is the question I've been thinking as I've checked back in on comments here a few times this morning. Why do so many people "know" that this essay is all about aggrandizing pg's own intellect or that of startup founders, when it's almost entirely composed of two parts: (1) discussion on when independent thinking is and isn't valuable, and (2) advice on cultiva…

Part of why I'm sure is that I was prone to thinking like this as a teen. I was a smart kid from a family that valued smartness trying to get by in a world that generally didn't, and certainly didn't value the kid of weirdness that in retrospect made me well suited for what turned out to be hot career.

I made it to an environment better suited to me (SF, tech industry) and eventually got the fuck over myself. I used my newfound material and emotional safety to do the necessary work of self-examination that let me get a better handle on my self-justifying bullshit. To spot and manage my desire to be right, to be smart, to be without intellectual flaw. To write bombastic essay like this.

So yes, I think you have part of it. It is hypocritical. It doesn't model what it's talking about. But for me it's worse than that. One, it presenting an at-best-incomplete approach as the final word from on high, it's going to create a sad sort of blinded conformism of its own. Doing a tech startup has long become a cargo cult of its own, and this won't help.

Second, in his amateur psychologizing, I think he makes some elementary mistakes. E.g., valorizing the performative anti-caring about what people think. To me that's a sign of insecurity and/or a trauma reaction to some past person who was overbearing. For me, true independent thinking comes from listening to others without judgment and choosing for myself. Positive attachment and negative attachment are both attachment.

Third, this reads to me like it's a part of the political kick he's been on in recent years, where he's shitting on the US left. E.g., the footnote about how politics is boring because it's subject to intellectual fashion. He complains here about people who "think themselves nonconformists, but actually they're niche conformists". When honestly his opinions, which I once found fresh and interesting, seem to be the tiresome conventional wisdom in his niche, and easily predicted by his financial interests and social position.

I get that he's gone through a hard change. He used to be an underdog and would still like to see himself that way. But in reality, he's rich and powerful, a kingmaker in what has been the hottest segment of American industry for a generation. One that in my opinion has been vastly overfunded for the last decade or so. That is a challenge to anybody's self image. You can't be a genius underdog and at the top of the status quo. But given his money and his smarts, he's not doing a good job at all of meeting that challenge.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#526

I find Ray Dalio's thoughts on this and other related subjects much more compelling than Paul's. Mr. Dalio has recently, within the past year or two, started sharing his thoughts publicly in an organized way at https://www.principles.com/ and on social media.

Why do you find Dalio's musings 'more compelling' ? To me, Ray is just another Capitalist who extols Capitalism. Is there more to it?

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#527

Thinking for yourself in Silicon Valley is nigh impossible these days without becoming a disliked outcast. If you even question the legitimacy or viability of a potentially flawed mission or irony in company values, experienced startups will manage you out silently and tactfully. In some of the worst places, you'll also get treated poorly and excluded so that you leave. Company values really are just words on a wall…

> Thinking for yourself in Silicon Valley is nigh impossible these days without becoming a disliked outcast.

Yes. The irony of Paul Graham’s fluff (apparently he was one of the founders of HN or something?) about thinking for yourself etc. versus the tendency of HN to downvote any comment that goes against the grain, like the one above. Hah

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#528
>And if it's like other forms of fastidiousness, it should also be possible to encourage in children. I certainly got a strong dose of it from my father.

>Perhaps the reason is that even the conventional-minded have to be curious in the beginning, in order to learn what the conventions are. Whereas the independent-minded are the gluttons of curiosity, who keep eating even after they're full.

The author doesn't try to answer where the greed for innovation comes from.

If those traits come from parents, how can this be reproduced? Isn't 'How to Think for Yourself' more like 'You are all individuals'? It can make people behave in certain ways, but it cannot create individualism.

Coincidently, the author offers a service for founders to help them to be founders, to tell them, how to be founders. He most likely is looking for conforming non-conformists, because those are the people who need his services the most.

Then on the other hand, maybe he has realized that he cannot give them what they need the most? It's a bit like reddit. He gave the founders lisp and a non-conformist, but they ended up with a platform for submissions.

People think for themselves when the answers they get are not enough. Who wants to give people the gift of endless dissatisfaction?

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being skeptical of the conventional wisdom can be useful, but keeping yourself intentionally ignorant of it is generally a bad plan. I can vouch for that. I write software, but my original training was as an EE. My software development methodology was almost entirely self-taught. This has been both good and bad. I will sometimes come up with some really interesting orthogonal approaches, but I will also sometimes "…

I think ordering of exposure makes a difference. Being submersed in prior art and then trying to come up with something novel is much harder or less likely than having conviction around a novel idea/experience and then digging into prior art to strengthen your offering.

Uh that's entirely wrong. If you don't even know the tools available to the state-of-the-art, then how can you begin to build new things?

For example, in cryptography, if you don't know know about basic things like elliptic curves and hash functions, how are you going to solve any big problem?

Re: How to Think for Yourself

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The physical separation of Lockheed's Skunk Works may have had this as a side benefit. That mindset produced the big corporate labs of the 1950s to 1970s - Bell Labs, Xerox PARC, IBM Research, Sarnoff Labs, the Department of Energy labs, the NASA centers, etc. They got impressive results. But in time, they stagnated, working hard on the wrong problems. You have to have a well defined goal to make that work. Of course…

   On one side ...
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Only one of those sides has children in substantial numbers, so this polarity will sort itself out over longer time scales. As somebody living next to a primary school in a very progressive city I already see this in a big way!
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