Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by frompdx » Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 7:38 PM UTC

tdeck wrote: post #19

mikece wrote: post #2

“Always bet on the web.” PWA trumps mobile apps — until or unless it can be articulated why a PWA/hybrid app won’t work, but that is the small minority of app cases.

Unfortunately PWA seems to have almost no adoption at all. I'm not sure why that is. Native features missing? Developers want to fingerprint you? Distribution mechanisms insufficient? All I know is PWA seems to have stalled.

One issue with PWAs is that Apple has hobbled what they can do on iOS. I think this prompts a lot of would be adopters to skip PWA and go straight to packaging their app with electron.

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by leoh » Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 3:50 AM UTC

emteycz wrote: post #18

leoh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol — have you tried to engage, in a serious way, with the JavaScript ecosystem? It is a _dumpster fire_ to produce anything that is reasonably as interactive and complex as an iOS Application. I do agree, however, with the idea that some things ought _not_ be apps, especially things that are dead simple, for which it _truly is_ easier to develop a web application.

Lol, seems like you haven't tried to engage with the web ecosystem in a serious way. Web apps with TypeScript and React/Vue/Svelte are the easiest, most productive way of making software that runs immediately anywhere, and the ecosystem has everything (don't forget about Wasm). SwiftUI is nice, but needs a lot more years until it reaches the level of React. Android libs are a joke. (I write enterprise React applicati…

This is totally untrue when you start building an application and care about superior interactivity and sophisticated UI/UX patterns

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by emteycz » Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 10:11 AM UTC

leoh wrote: post #32

emteycz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, seems like you haven't tried to engage with the web ecosystem in a serious way. Web apps with TypeScript and React/Vue/Svelte are the easiest, most productive way of making software that runs immediately anywhere, and the ecosystem has everything (don't forget about Wasm). SwiftUI is nice, but needs a lot more years until it reaches the level of React. Android libs are a joke. (I write enterprise React applicati…

This is totally untrue when you start building an application and care about superior interactivity and sophisticated UI/UX patterns

Yeah, now I can see that you have indeed never really tried.

Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?

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Post by leoh » Tue, Dec 01, 2020, 9:44 PM UTC

emteycz wrote: post #33

leoh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is totally untrue when you start building an application and care about superior interactivity and sophisticated UI/UX patterns

Yeah, now I can see that you have indeed never really tried.

>Yeah, now I can see that you have indeed never really tried.

This is totally untrue!

I am open to the possibility, however, that I have been working with a challenging front-end codebase and that, on that basis, I may not have seen the best that JS has to offer. But in my experience — intermittently building toy iOS apps the last few years and having also built some production react apps in a large codebase (perhaps not a fair apples-to-apples comparison) — iOS has felt much more straightforward for creating apps with idiomatic UI/UX.

Forgive me if I came off as a bit glib. But I do tentatively, at least, still hold my original position; though am open to the possibility of being wrong!