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How to Think for Yourself

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Re: How to Think for Yourself

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Did anyone find the article too long? Don't get me wrong - the first few paragraphs were engaging and thought-provoking. The rest of the article looked as if it could be condensed to two paragraphs. This is not a criticism - I'm just curious to know if I was bored because I have a short attention span, or if the amount of novel/useful content in the article plummeted sharply beyond the first few paragraphs.

Like many of PG’s essays about psychology or society, the problem is that this essay is basically an aphorism or a self-help book: there’s no logic here, no citations, no connection to facts. It’s just a bunch of feel-good BS for libertarian-minded tech workers. I get the impression that the length is (at least unconsciously) making up for the absence of rigor.

A few paragraphs of “stuff that has no real argument but basically sounds right to PG” is a fine short essay as a “maninfesto of independent thought”.

But when the essay is full of detailed “analysis” of “facts” such as “it seems that independent thought is a matter of nature rather than nurture,” then PG is just wasting his readers’ time. This essay is a genuine clunker.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#72

> You don't want to start a startup to do something that everyone agrees is a good idea, or there will already be other companies doing it. Unless it's a schlep: http://www.paulgraham.com/schlep.html

> You don't want to start a startup to do something that everyone agrees is a good idea, or there will already be other companies doing it

Which would show you that there is a market with customers. Now the question is, can you find a niche in that market and do you have enough to separate yourself from the competitors, also is it possible to attract attention to your product or is the market already saturated. No need to invent something totally new, it's fine to improve enough to make the pain to switch to your product worthwhile.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

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I don't think there is a need for "thinking for yourself" for those to whom it doesn't come naturally.

I believe that the human population produces certain number of people with contrarian attitudes as a defense against too much conformity, which can trap the population in local maximas or even wipe it out of existence if it fails to adapt to the changes. When the natural environment is changing, there is a bigger need for contrarians because there is a possibility that the changed environment is detrimental to the population or there could be better opportunities because of the changes to the environment. However, in stable times, contrarians are a nuisance or even a threat to the stability of the society. It's much more valuable most of the time for most of the people to do what you know and keep it at that.

As a contrarian, I am fortunate enough to be in the current time and place where I'm less likely to be executed for my "wrong" views because some of it is applied in places where it is very useful and I'm a net benefit to the society. If and when things become stable again, our kind will be silenced and curbed.

I would want to have a future where it is understood that the human population is bigger than the individual... and these variations exist because it is beneficial to the the population in the long term... and these differences should be celebrated... but maybe the effort required to maintain this understanding in the population is not worth it overall over getting rid of us by silencing or executing us. So, my kind will make do by understanding that this is happening and learn to shut up and stay low until when things change and we're needed again.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

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post #24

It is surely a mere coincidence that every time PG makes up some category of elite people he finds himself right in the middle of it.

Would you prefer that successful people keep their ideas about how to be successful to themselves? That doesn't seem very equitable ;o

Re: How to Think for Yourself

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Assuming large groups of people can't think for themselves is both short sighted and insulting. But it is mostly true, at least in management positions. Independent-minded people by definition question authority so they are mostly relegated to low status positions. If you don't question authority then you aren't independent-minded. And no, questioning some authority figure just because some other authority figure t…

Why would independed minded person necessary came to conclusion that loudly openly questioning authority is good idea, in situation in which it is predictable that it is going to lead to bad result?

Keeping quiet about things only helps so much. People can feel if you question them or not. I mean, there are two workers, A is always excited about everything his manager suggest and do while B mostly keeps his thoughts to himself. Who is more likely to get promoted?

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#76
Fan of PG's work. Question from me would be, were these the values he attributes to his business success, or discoveries after enlightenment and actualization?

Follow up essays, "how to prevail on others when you've thought for yourself," and "how to leverage other thinkers who just don't fit," would be extra interesting.

There is a significant element of "Foxes and Hedgehogs," in this, and what I talk about to business clients as "indoors cats and outdoors cats," as well.

I like that this essay brings to mind what it means to "en-courage," or to give courage-to someone. It's not flattery or justification, it is meant to genuinely imbue people with courage.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#77
post #65

The distinction between independent-mindedness and conventional-mindedness is captured more correctly I think by a trait called politeness as defined here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5863998_Between_Fac... Independent-mindness would be similar to low politeness (coupled with high openness, but I'll ignore that for now), and those people would be more likely to be like this than not: * Make enemies. * Opp…

The twitter example seems more like those Nobel prize winners that later reconvert to crackpots. I definitely agree that conspiracy theorists reject authority and are contrarian, but most don't strike me as curious except for a superficial level. That said, I would agree with the general idea that independent minded people can be less approachable, mainly due to the fact that they do not "need" anyone and people like…

>The twitter example seems more like those Nobel prize winners that later reconvert to crackpots.

That's the point. They were always "crackpots". You need to be a crackpot to generate ideas that people aren't generating, otherwise everyone would generate them. This means you'll generate wrong ideas, but it also means you'll generate right ideas that people think are wrong.

>I definitely agree that conspiracy theorists reject authority and are contrarian, but most don't strike me as curious except for a superficial level.

They are definitely more curious than most people, as evidenced by the fact that they were attracted to the conspiracy theory in the first place. It's also not uncommon for an intelligent conspiracy theorist to be able to outargue a conventional person on a subject they care about, i.e. the Earth being flat or not.

>As for the list of things those people may or may not enjoy, the sheer amount of things polled and the small sample size give me doubts.

I think this field is pretty well established and this paper in particular is well cited, so among peers it doesn't seem to be contentious.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#78

Did anyone find the article too long? Don't get me wrong - the first few paragraphs were engaging and thought-provoking. The rest of the article looked as if it could be condensed to two paragraphs. This is not a criticism - I'm just curious to know if I was bored because I have a short attention span, or if the amount of novel/useful content in the article plummeted sharply beyond the first few paragraphs.

Like many of PG’s essays about psychology or society, the problem is that this essay is basically an aphorism or a self-help book: there’s no logic here, no citations, no connection to facts. It’s just a bunch of feel-good BS for libertarian-minded tech workers. I get the impression that the length is (at least unconsciously) making up for the absence of rigor. A few paragraphs of “stuff that has no real argument but…

You could argue the same things about Plato or Descartes or Locke philosophy.

But a lot of things have been built upon their wisdom and thinking.

Re: How to Think for Yourself

#80
post #8

Excellent article > When you hear someone say something, stop and ask yourself "Is that true?" This is one of my favorite things to do, though the list of people who will talk to me again after I do it is very short. (Edit: To be extra clear... While this is a bitter pill - I do not like it when others do it to me - I do find it to be very effective for reinforcing good faith in close, trusting relationships. I also…

He mentions in the next sentence: "I'm not suggesting that you impose on everyone who talks to you the burden of proving what they say"

> When you hear someone say something, stop and ask yourself "Is that true?" Don't say it out loud. I'm not suggesting that you impose on everyone who talks to you the burden of proving what they say, but rather that you take upon yourself the burden of evaluating what they say.

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