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CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by maxgashkov »

lurtbancaster wrote: post #130

Don't get me started on how infuriating Google's ReCaptchas are on Tor Browser. Buster captcha solver fails immediately. And when you do actually manually solve the captcha correctly, sometimes Google still thinks you're a robot. And sometimes it asks me to select all "bicycles" in the images and there are NO GODDAMN BICYCLES in any of the images whatsover. So I hit Skip and eventually google thinks I'm a robot. Ever…

Don't get me started on hCaptcha! I've spent good 5 minutes yesterday trying to guess what the 'boat' is and is not according to its moderators.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

artichokes wrote: post #116
philshem wrote: post #69

not trying to stir up a shitstorm, but since this article mentions IQ tests - "what's a nickel?"... Check out the history (1971) of Larry P. and California's use of IQ testing in schools. > As a group, African Americans across the country scored lower on IQ tests. The lawsuit alleged that was because the tests were biased toward Eurocentric culture. Questions like, ”Who wrote Romeo and Juliet,” they argued, didn’t as…

Those aren't anything like the sort of questions involved in IQ tests. IQ tests rarely involve words at all, usually a series of geometric shapes where you're supposed to pick the next one.

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Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by iso1631 »

taneq wrote: post #8
iso1631 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell is a crosswalk

Zebra crossing, mate.

If a captcha asked "select square with a zebra crossing", or "select squares with a pavement" I guarantee americans would be very angry.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by rahidz »

lurtbancaster wrote: post #130

Don't get me started on how infuriating Google's ReCaptchas are on Tor Browser. Buster captcha solver fails immediately. And when you do actually manually solve the captcha correctly, sometimes Google still thinks you're a robot. And sometimes it asks me to select all "bicycles" in the images and there are NO GODDAMN BICYCLES in any of the images whatsover. So I hit Skip and eventually google thinks I'm a robot. Ever…

It seems like Google punishing you for taking actions to increase your privacy, which not-so-coincidentally reduces the data they're able to hoover up from you.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by qayxc »

visarga wrote: post #19
mikro2nd wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around here the van is more likely to be a taxi than any car. So,... no. The cultural bias is nauseating. I've never yet managed to identify a crosswalk. I frequently fail at busses. All this click-click-click on items mysterious is just exhausting and leaves me feeling drained and dehumanised. These days if I see one I generally just bounce. It's less humiliating that way.

> I've never yet managed to identify a crosswalk. I frequently fail at busses. Yeah, images are hard and already solved by AI, anyway. At least on specific domains where there is training data. New captcha idea - the Turing test. Detect if a passage is written by human or AI. If you can't get in, it means we reached AGI.

> Detect if a passage is written by human or AI. If you can't get in, it means we reached AGI.

So we've reached AGI decades ago then? Text generators aren't rocket science and carefully cherry picked results of even a simple Markov-chain will be indistinguishable from human writings.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by yorwba »

artichokes wrote: post #116
philshem wrote: post #69

not trying to stir up a shitstorm, but since this article mentions IQ tests - "what's a nickel?"... Check out the history (1971) of Larry P. and California's use of IQ testing in schools. > As a group, African Americans across the country scored lower on IQ tests. The lawsuit alleged that was because the tests were biased toward Eurocentric culture. Questions like, ”Who wrote Romeo and Juliet,” they argued, didn’t as…

Those aren't anything like the sort of questions involved in IQ tests. IQ tests rarely involve words at all, usually a series of geometric shapes where you're supposed to pick the next one.

Not in 1971 when the lawsuit was filed. Now they use picture-based tests because those are supposedly less dependent on learned knowledge. (Though I find that many Raven's progressive matrices-type questions are a lot easier if you know about symmetry groups and XOR.)

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by imhoguy »

Puts wrote: post #20

I've come to the conclusion that most bots are not that sophisticated. Basic CSRF-protection seems to eliminate most automated requests and the need for captchas.

That is true for crawling bots which hit simple web forms. Also using some JavaScript kills most of them. Although such methods won't work with targeted bot attack.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by tpxl »

purplecats wrote: post #84
rehemiau wrote: post #82

I'm not American and I often see captchas that ask about "cars" or "trucks". And they use similar images. I sometimes don't pass through those. My question is, when I see a truck and I'm being asked to select all cars, should I select the truck or not? For me a truck is a car. Is it not one?

that's probably the type of stuff it wants to figure out by throwing it at us

In my country, the Ford F150 truck would be referred to as a car or a "half-truck", while a semi-truck is what would be referred to as a truck. That's a piece of cultural difference that will dirty your training.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Post by jgehring »

aloisdg wrote: post #109
zeepzeep wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let Googles AI solve Googles CAPTCHAs for you! "Buster: Captcha Solver for Humans" is one of my top 3 browser extensions.

So we have "Buster: Captcha Solver for Humans", "uBlock Origin" and what is the last one?

"I don't care about cookies"?
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