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Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? What if you are making replacement parts for you own watch?

I don't know? I didn't say that I was saying making a Rolex fully from your own 3d printed parts and assembling it from scratch.

Even still there's nothing about trademarks to prevent someone from building such a replica. Trademarks prevent selling such a replica to someone else, though.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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The C&D seems baseless, considering the video goes out of its way to remark that it's not making "the real thing". I could still see this working out well in terms of publicity for the Grana Padano brand -- seems unlikely there's any real risk of a Streisand effect here where everyone makes their own Grana Padano at home following the video's viral spread.

This request is not baseless at all. If you have in the supermarket a noname cheese that is branded "Grana Padano style", it would hurt the trademark.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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>your video seems to describe how to create counterfeited replicas of Grana Padano. I think that's a valid take. If someone made a video "How to make your own Rolex style watch" that are from 3d printed parts and works and looks like a Rolex then I guess they would also get a same c&d letter. Also I'm 100% behind protecting this restricted foods [0]. At least it's something against globalization (the guy is from Aust…

It's good people learn how to do it. The only thing they shouldn't actually do is to use the original name for the results.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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A convenient link to the video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6T_BJjitGQ

A quick scan of the complaint indicated they might have a case -- trademarks are important to protect the consumer. However watching the infringing video, he goes to great length to make it clear how it's in the style of Grana Pedano, it's not actually Grana Pedano. His "Feta" video on his channel's home page is more supicious in my layman opinion.

The funny part is that Grana Padano were infringing on Parmigiano-Reggiano for centuries.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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YouTube became popular because it was a central place where you can find videos and get good recommendations and such. The fact that it became "the place for video" has made it a battleground for this type of thing. It makes me wonder if the future of video hosting could be smaller sites where videos are less likely to be taken down, demonetized, etc.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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It says his video shows his to make counterfeit Grana Padano cheese. But if I understand correctly, if someone from the correct region followed body instructions, the cheese they made would actually be a perfectly legitimate Grana Padano....

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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I'm not sure why this is controversial. Trademark owners must defend their trademarks to show that they're in active use, otherwise the trademark might be lost. You're not prevented from making a cheese that's in a similar style, you just can't refer to it in a way that's confusingly simillar to a trademarked name.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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post #8

A convenient link to the video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6T_BJjitGQ

A quick scan of the complaint indicated they might have a case -- trademarks are important to protect the consumer. However watching the infringing video, he goes to great length to make it clear how it's in the style of Grana Pedano, it's not actually Grana Pedano. His "Feta" video on his channel's home page is more supicious in my layman opinion.

"Feta" is not a protected term here in Australia (where the youtuber is apparently from)

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick scan of the complaint indicated they might have a case -- trademarks are important to protect the consumer. However watching the infringing video, he goes to great length to make it clear how it's in the style of Grana Pedano, it's not actually Grana Pedano. His "Feta" video on his channel's home page is more supicious in my layman opinion.

The funny part is that Grana Padano were infringing on Parmigiano-Reggiano for centuries.

Lol, that's kind of true. They've been producing basically a _slightly_ inferior, cheaper knock-off version of Parmigiano-Reggiano for centuries and nobody ever complained; at least they always steered clear from associating themselves with the "Parmesan" brand because like many knock-offs they basically achieve what is arguably a less prestigious and blander product by having laxer quality standards.

For instance, Parmigiano-Reggiano can only be made by cows eating certain kinds of grass, which should be dried and not fermented. Farmers grow their own alfalfa, which is then turned into bales and stored away for the winter months; this is a taxing and expensive process, but avoiding fermented, cheeper feeds (like maize trimmings) makes the milk more shelf stable, with less unwanted bacteria, which then reflects into a cheese less prone to spoiling or tasting off.

The insistence of Grana Padano (which is mostly made on an industrial scale, compared with the smaller, cooperative dairies in the Parmigiano-Reggiano area) to allow farmers to use lower-quality feed stored in silos forces them to allow preservatives like Lysozyme in their formulation, because their milk gets inevitably contaminated by the Clostridium bacteria from the fermented feed they give to their cows.

Before anyone complains, I might be a bit biased towards Parmigiano-Reggiano because I was born and raised in the area it is produced, so I ate a lot of it in every form, shape and size, but I think every cheese connoisseur knows that there's definitely a taste and quality difference between the two; I like Grana Padano overall, but even when long aged it's definitely not as deep, flavourful and complex as an equivalent wheel of Parmigiano-Reggiano. It's simply not the same.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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I'm not sure why this is controversial. Trademark owners must defend their trademarks to show that they're in active use, otherwise the trademark might be lost. You're not prevented from making a cheese that's in a similar style, you just can't refer to it in a way that's confusingly simillar to a trademarked name.

It's not a trademark, it's a Protected Designation of Origin (PDO). Similar but not the same and I'm not aware of an area being required to exercise their PDO to keep it.
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