This sounds a bit absurd. But laws are sometimes absurd... Maybe he could call it ”Po River Valley Cheese” or something like that instead.
[Edit: The threat might not hold up in court, but it can be expensive to find out...]
Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
11–20 of 203 posts
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#12[edit: I just realized that the original video explicitly stated that this was a Grana Padano style cheese. The C&D tries to say he's teaching people how to make counterfeit cheese ?!??!?] The cease and desist is over the name, or more specifically using the name of the cheese when you aren't making it in the correct part of the world. This is a guy on YouTube describing how to make that cheese, the only thing he can…
Puttin aside the absurdity of a C&D for some random youtuber showing how to replicate a particular cheese, I don't agree with "This kind of region-of-production-defines-the-allowed-name-of-identical-products idiocy is of course beyond stupid".
If I want Roquefort I want Roquefort, not another blue cheese. No problem selling another cheese and putting it next to Roquefort in the stalls (looking at you Saint Agur..), but words have meaning and places have meaning
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#13[edit: I just realized that the original video explicitly stated that this was a Grana Padano style cheese. The C&D tries to say he's teaching people how to make counterfeit cheese ?!??!?] The cease and desist is over the name, or more specifically using the name of the cheese when you aren't making it in the correct part of the world. This is a guy on YouTube describing how to make that cheese, the only thing he can…
I am absolutely fine with origin naming legal defenses. You can’t sell something as though it was made somewhere when it wasn’t.
That is an entirely different issue than using naming rights to prevent people from making a similar agricultural product somewhere else, or sharing information about it using the name.
The rights should extend to product labeling and thats it, and they do. This C&D to a youtuber is comical.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#14The C&D seems baseless, considering the video goes out of its way to remark that it's not making "the real thing".
I could still see this working out well in terms of publicity for the Grana Padano brand -- seems unlikely there's any real risk of a Streisand effect here where everyone makes their own Grana Padano at home following the video's viral spread.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#15[edit: I just realized that the original video explicitly stated that this was a Grana Padano style cheese. The C&D tries to say he's teaching people how to make counterfeit cheese ?!??!?] The cease and desist is over the name, or more specifically using the name of the cheese when you aren't making it in the correct part of the world. This is a guy on YouTube describing how to make that cheese, the only thing he can…
> This kind of region-of-production-defines-the-allowed-name-of-identical-products idiocy is of course beyond stupid, but lets ignore that for now.
This is not stupid at all. Apart from being an equivalent to a patent/license (if that justifies it in your point of view), the final outcome of traditional products can be affected very much by the local environment (breeds, feed, weather, water, even microbiota etc).
You simply cannot make traditional Mozzarella di bufala campana or Pouligny-Saint-Pierre in Wisconsin. You can make something similar, sure, but never the traditional.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#16Some of our laws and it's interpretations are just weird and absurd. They must be revaluated in current age.
Origin naming laws are fine as they are, this is just a ridiculous demand that has nothing to do with the law.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#17>your video seems to describe how to create counterfeited replicas of Grana Padano. I think that's a valid take. If someone made a video "How to make your own Rolex style watch" that are from 3d printed parts and works and looks like a Rolex then I guess they would also get a same c&d letter. Also I'm 100% behind protecting this restricted foods [0]. At least it's something against globalization (the guy is from Aust…
Why? What if you are making replacement parts for you own watch?
I don't know? I didn't say that
I was saying making a Rolex fully from your own 3d printed parts and assembling it from scratch.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#18A convenient link to the video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6T_BJjitGQ
A quick scan of the complaint indicated they might have a case -- trademarks are important to protect the consumer.
However watching the infringing video, he goes to great length to make it clear how it's in the style of Grana Pedano, it's not actually Grana Pedano.
His "Feta" video on his channel's home page is more supicious in my layman opinion.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#19Some of our laws and it's interpretations are just weird and absurd. They must be revaluated in current age.
I believe the law in this case is good. It's just how they are interpreting it. If some hobbyist makes a video "how to make Grana Padano style cheese", they send a cease and desist. Had they made a video "how Grana Padano cheese is made" and mentioned in the video that they are showing their version of the process but had specifically and clearly mentioned the resulting cheese is not and can not be actually called Grana Padano, they'd been okay I think.
They are probably okay now as well if the matter progressed to court and they had a good IP lawyer, but then again I am not one.
Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]
#20>your video seems to describe how to create counterfeited replicas of Grana Padano. I think that's a valid take. If someone made a video "How to make your own Rolex style watch" that are from 3d printed parts and works and looks like a Rolex then I guess they would also get a same c&d letter. Also I'm 100% behind protecting this restricted foods [0]. At least it's something against globalization (the guy is from Aust…
Except they’re not the same. A video that tells you how to make your own Rolex-style watch, aside from being a bad analogy, isn’t a video of how to make a counterfeit rolex. If you attempted to sell it and brand it a Rolex and represent it as a legitimate Rolex, then you’d have an issue.
I’m not inherently against geographically-restricted products (Though it definitely gets silly in spots) but he isn’t counterfeiting anything.
You can’t have a counterfeit without a false representation of what something is. The creator isn’t doing that. Nor is the creator somehow commercially exploiting their precious cheese.