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Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

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Post by antirez »

davidw wrote: post #9
antirez wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, btw... if an application is good quality for the customers who cares what language they used?

Well... those of us interested in replicating their success:-)

Given that Flickr is written in PHP, Delicious in Perl, Reddit in Python, Foo in Bar, I think that unless you are using something like Java or C++ that really will make you 5 times slower in the development process it does not really matter too much. IMHO this is highly related to the nature of web applications where the design of the UI, the feeling, and the idea you are developing is much more important than complex data structures and funky algorithms (being the only real challenge scalability in many projects).

What's nice is that actually if you master computer science it counts even in web programming as long as there are non trivial problems to solve, but this happens 5% of the times compared of 95% when you write, for example, a compiler.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

#13

Post by bjclark »

davidw wrote: post #9
antirez wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, btw... if an application is good quality for the customers who cares what language they used?

Well... those of us interested in replicating their success:-)

This is the most asinine thing I've ever read on here. The first thing any smart person can figure out is that RoR doesn't make 37signals what they are. They have always said that themselves. Fast agile development, and all the other things they talk about in their Getting Real book make them what they are, but certainly not which language/framework. This is a lot like debating what care you're going to buy based on what the manufacturer of the car that won NASCAR last weekend was.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

#14

Post by dean »

antirez wrote: post #11
davidw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... those of us interested in replicating their success:-)

Given that Flickr is written in PHP, Delicious in Perl, Reddit in Python, Foo in Bar, I think that unless you are using something like Java or C++ that really will make you 5 times slower in the development process it does not really matter too much. IMHO this is highly related to the nature of web applications where the design of the UI, the feeling, and the idea you are developing is much more important than comple…

I thought the interesting thing about this post is that 37signals, the creator of RubyOnRails, is using PHP.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

#15

Post by dean »

bjclark wrote: post #13
davidw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... those of us interested in replicating their success:-)

This is the most asinine thing I've ever read on here. The first thing any smart person can figure out is that RoR doesn't make 37signals what they are. They have always said that themselves. Fast agile development, and all the other things they talk about in their Getting Real book make them what they are, but certainly not which language/framework. This is a lot like debating what care you're going to buy based on…

Really? The most asinine thing ever? I don't agree with that, but you do have a point. Still, it is interesting that 37Singnals is using PHP, not shocking, not mind-blowing, but interesting. Just like it would be interesting if Microsoft were using Java for MSN.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

#16

Post by davidw »

dean wrote: post #15
bjclark wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most asinine thing I've ever read on here. The first thing any smart person can figure out is that RoR doesn't make 37signals what they are. They have always said that themselves. Fast agile development, and all the other things they talk about in their Getting Real book make them what they are, but certainly not which language/framework. This is a lot like debating what care you're going to buy based on…

Really? The most asinine thing ever? I don't agree with that, but you do have a point. Still, it is interesting that 37Singnals is using PHP, not shocking, not mind-blowing, but interesting. Just like it would be interesting if Microsoft were using Java for MSN.

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Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

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Post by antirez »

dean wrote: post #14
antirez wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that Flickr is written in PHP, Delicious in Perl, Reddit in Python, Foo in Bar, I think that unless you are using something like Java or C++ that really will make you 5 times slower in the development process it does not really matter too much. IMHO this is highly related to the nature of web applications where the design of the UI, the feeling, and the idea you are developing is much more important than comple…

I thought the interesting thing about this post is that 37signals, the creator of RubyOnRails, is using PHP.

Maybe they use PHP like a better version of server side includes. For this RoR is probably an overkill.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

#18

Post by davidw »

bjclark wrote: post #13
davidw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... those of us interested in replicating their success:-)

This is the most asinine thing I've ever read on here. The first thing any smart person can figure out is that RoR doesn't make 37signals what they are. They have always said that themselves. Fast agile development, and all the other things they talk about in their Getting Real book make them what they are, but certainly not which language/framework. This is a lot like debating what care you're going to buy based on…

Aside from the fact that I think your rudeness is uncalled for, I do think technologies are relevant, and make a difference. Sure, there are other things that are important as well, but I do think there is a best in many cases. It may not be the same for each case, but it's worth looking at what different people use and how it enabled their success.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

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Post by davidw »

antirez wrote: post #17
dean wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the interesting thing about this post is that 37signals, the creator of RubyOnRails, is using PHP.

Maybe they use PHP like a better version of server side includes. For this RoR is probably an overkill.

That's exactly how they're using it, and why the original poster's "discovery" really isn't that exciting.

I don't care for it for more serious work, but if you just want to template up one or two pages without a lot of hassle, PHP is far better than Rails.

Re: Basecamp and Backpack from 37signals use PHP

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Post by brett »

Lessien wrote: post #6

http://37signals.com/index.rhtml also works. As does http://37signals.com/index.nothingspecial Apparently, the file extension is irrelevant when processing pages.

it's more than file extension

http://37signals.com/here/is/a/bunch/of/nonsense

(though that does throw off the path to the css)

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