So the choice would be: build an Android app and an iOS app, or build a web app? Eh, I'd rather build a web app.
What would users like to use more?
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Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
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Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#22No. ARM has a huge problem with compatibility and secrecy. Buy a random intel machine .... will it run Windows and Linux? YES. Buy a random ARM device..,, will it run Linux? Maybe, probably not, even if it does, probably there’s problems and issues caused by the CPU vendor keeping aspects of its design secret. ARM is a very very long way from replacing Intel.
According to Apples M1: Intel software runs FASTER on ARM than on Intel
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a non issue in modern mobile phones (which people use more than desktops/laptops these days).
Not an issue to do and hence not an issue for public at large. But apps come with plenty of their own issues which is gaining public recognition. It is early days yet though. Personally: - I find it odd to need an app for a service entirely reliant on off-phone data. - I like my phone battery life. I avoid apps if I can help it. Web page links all over my home screen.
>- I find it odd to need an app for a service entirely reliant on off-phone data.
Well, a browser is an app for services entirely reliant on off-phone data :-)
Just a generic one, slower, more battery hungry, with less platform conveniences and access to native APIs.
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a non issue in modern mobile phones (which people use more than desktops/laptops these days).
[citation needed] My mum wont install an app unless she has to. In my eyes this has failed the grandmother test.
Isn't your anecdotal statement that which should be replaced by a citation, as it's an of-no-use example-of-one? Whereas what I said might not have been accompanied by a citation, but it's a general statement, easily verifiable, including with citations:
https://www.mobiloud.com/blog/mobile-apps-vs-the-mobile-web#....
Not to mention there's no "grandmother test" as some kind of ultimate marketing gatekeeper, unless you market adult pads or something. I'm pretty sure lots of billion dollar industries fail the "grandmother test" too (youth-oriented ones, self-selectively so).
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#25So the choice would be: build an Android app and an iOS app, or build a web app? Eh, I'd rather build a web app.
What would users like to use more?
If you’re ever in the position where you have to market an app you’ll soon discover actually just getting users to commit to installing something which they’ve never heard of is a massive hurdle - compared to clicking a link in a browser.
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#26No. ARM has a huge problem with compatibility and secrecy. Buy a random intel machine .... will it run Windows and Linux? YES. Buy a random ARM device..,, will it run Linux? Maybe, probably not, even if it does, probably there’s problems and issues caused by the CPU vendor keeping aspects of its design secret. ARM is a very very long way from replacing Intel.
I always forget that not being able to run Linux immediately means that there is a lot of secrecy. It can never be put on Linux.
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#27This ColdFusion Video goes into a deeper explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuF9weSkS68
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#28You could flip it around and ask - given that phone chips are approaching desktop level performance, how native do you need to go? We're already seeing native apps become less "native". Using high level frameworks that provide a common core between platforms is pretty standard nowadays.
IMO the biggest driver already is and will be app store/platform policies. Fundamental hardware constraints are secondary.
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would users like to use more?
If you’re ever in the position where you have to market an app you’ll soon discover actually just getting users to commit to installing something which they’ve never heard of is a massive hurdle - compared to clicking a link in a browser.
there’s definitely pros and cons for both, depending on what you’re trying to do
Re: Ask HN: Can the ARM Macs/PCs end the web as we know it?
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not an issue to do and hence not an issue for public at large. But apps come with plenty of their own issues which is gaining public recognition. It is early days yet though. Personally: - I find it odd to need an app for a service entirely reliant on off-phone data. - I like my phone battery life. I avoid apps if I can help it. Web page links all over my home screen.
> - I find it odd to need an app for a service entirely reliant on off-phone data. Well, a browser is an app for services entirely reliant on off-phone data :-) Just a generic one, slower, more battery hungry, with less platform conveniences and access to native APIs.
"Well, a browser is an app for services entirely reliant on off-phone data :-)
Just a generic one"
Which is what I was trying to say though I did it poorly I guess. :-) Why do I need an app when the website will do just fine?
"slower, more battery hungry, with less platform conveniences and access to native APIs"
I think the efficiency loss is traded for the lack of always on services and privacy invasion common in native apps these days.
The important function of the web browser is the sandbox effect.