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An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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Article author interned there for "less than a year" -- LinkedIn.

Plenty of time to get an idea of the engineering workflow.

Really? Maybe to know of it, but to know the ins and outs? As an intern? Probably not. Also it's years out of date. Practically just clickbait.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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> Many years ago, I did a brief stint at Google. A lot has changed since then, but even that brief exposure to Google's internal developer tools left a lasting impression on me. Perhaps the operative phrase being "Many years ago". I currently work at Google, previously I worked at Square. Of the two, I generally prefer the OSS and off-the-shelf tooling at Square. Some things really are better at Google (code search a…

> They were probably amazing (and much simpler) tools back in the day, but the world has moved and we're somewhat constrained by what's familiar. Exactly my feelings about Phabricator. GitLab simply runs circles around it if you consider the issue tracking, CI etc. as part of the problem.

I would've loved to have Gitlab at our company, but unfortunately we're on a tight budget so they didn't want to go for anything paid.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

#94
post #88

The one tool everyone missed was marketing with being able to call yourself an ex-googler being the biggest tool in the toolbox. Let me share the other side of the diaspora (I dislike this term). Tons of former X, pick your popular Silicon Valley company, employees with little else to sell other than that they worked foe x company. The vain CEO hires them hoping that they’ll sprinkle some magic fairy dust on their dy…

Did you even read the article ? It's incredibly well written with pros and cons of each tool. I know you have a hatchet to bury against Google but why don't you read the article first.

Why are you carrying water for Google?

I did read the article and yes it does have some good parts.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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post #11

> Many years ago, I did a brief stint at Google. A lot has changed since then, but even that brief exposure to Google's internal developer tools left a lasting impression on me. Perhaps the operative phrase being "Many years ago". I currently work at Google, previously I worked at Square. Of the two, I generally prefer the OSS and off-the-shelf tooling at Square. Some things really are better at Google (code search a…

Note that Critique (Google's main code review UI) doesn't have the same issues that Gerrit apparently has.

I work at Google and mainly use Gerrit because of the products I work on and yes, Critique is miles better.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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post #88

The one tool everyone missed was marketing with being able to call yourself an ex-googler being the biggest tool in the toolbox. Let me share the other side of the diaspora (I dislike this term). Tons of former X, pick your popular Silicon Valley company, employees with little else to sell other than that they worked foe x company. The vain CEO hires them hoping that they’ll sprinkle some magic fairy dust on their dy…

I have one experience with that. Guy, late 20's or early 30's at best, ex-Googler joins a bank and becomes CTO. Pushes for them to replace Angular (which they went all in on, migrating from a set of JQuery UI components) with, drumroll, Polymer. Nothing finished yet, performance issues (because guess what, polymer's routing turned out to be pretty much the same as a 'tab panel'), aaand Polymer 2 rolls around, backwar…

One of my worst decisions as a developer was to build upon a component framework maintained by Google.

Material Components for the web is constantly introducing breaking changes that make building upon the framework a nightmare. Lately they've even set this expectation in the project description. The problem is that the components are rather buggy, so you must regularly update them to have upstream bugs fixed.

> Material Components Web tends to release breaking changes on a monthly basis, but follows semver so you can control when you incorporate them. We typically follow a 2-week release schedule which includes one major release per month with breaking changes, and intermediate patch releases with bug fixes.

https://github.com/material-components/material-components-w...

The development team's decisions have been questionable [1][2][3], so consider this a warning in case you are tempted to use the project.

[1] https://github.com/material-components/material-components-w...

[2] https://github.com/material-components/material-components-w...

[3] https://github.com/material-components/material-components-w...

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article ? It's incredibly well written with pros and cons of each tool. I know you have a hatchet to bury against Google but why don't you read the article first.

Why are you carrying water for Google? I did read the article and yes it does have some good parts.

I carry water to douse the flame you hold.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

#98
post #88

The one tool everyone missed was marketing with being able to call yourself an ex-googler being the biggest tool in the toolbox. Let me share the other side of the diaspora (I dislike this term). Tons of former X, pick your popular Silicon Valley company, employees with little else to sell other than that they worked foe x company. The vain CEO hires them hoping that they’ll sprinkle some magic fairy dust on their dy…

I have one experience with that. Guy, late 20's or early 30's at best, ex-Googler joins a bank and becomes CTO. Pushes for them to replace Angular (which they went all in on, migrating from a set of JQuery UI components) with, drumroll, Polymer. Nothing finished yet, performance issues (because guess what, polymer's routing turned out to be pretty much the same as a 'tab panel'), aaand Polymer 2 rolls around, backwar…

There are many companies where ex Googlers have made an impact as founders or senior engineering leaders. Your anecdata has many counters.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

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post #88

The one tool everyone missed was marketing with being able to call yourself an ex-googler being the biggest tool in the toolbox. Let me share the other side of the diaspora (I dislike this term). Tons of former X, pick your popular Silicon Valley company, employees with little else to sell other than that they worked foe x company. The vain CEO hires them hoping that they’ll sprinkle some magic fairy dust on their dy…

I have one experience with that. Guy, late 20's or early 30's at best, ex-Googler joins a bank and becomes CTO. Pushes for them to replace Angular (which they went all in on, migrating from a set of JQuery UI components) with, drumroll, Polymer. Nothing finished yet, performance issues (because guess what, polymer's routing turned out to be pretty much the same as a 'tab panel'), aaand Polymer 2 rolls around, backwar…

The funny part of the story is that Angular is from Google.

Re: An ex-Googler’s guide to dev tools

#100

Honest opinion on FAANG tools is that the big ones are now antiquated and slowing these big tech companies down. Eventually they will need to rip out all these tools that once gave them an edge and replace them, but they cant bc of how much depends on them, and whala, you have a large failing slow company

Wouldn't the central planning committee include a great leap forward in the next five year plan? This is capitalism, after all, and it's far superior to the socialism of open source software where it's survival of the fittest in a dog-eat-dog world.
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