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So not promoting people because they are black is now enough to get called raciest? I guess that's exactly how Kamala Harris has made it to where she is.
We didn't accuse anyone of being racist. Just sharing our disappointment. When that disappointment is so widespread that the NYT is writing an article on your company, it's more than a coincidence, no?
An upcoming story about Coinbase
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> It is odd to me that they would preemptively go loud on this "This is gonna be really bad, so we need to get out in front of it." That's what it sounds like to me.
I don't know the details of the story, but the thing is with baseless accusations of 'racism' is that it's a perfect slander, one can never prove innocence once proclaimed guilty.
One thing I do know - I would not have read this article had it not been for this post by Coinbase.
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> I'm talking about what we have in front of us. What we have in front of us is a very poorly executed attempt at damage control - over an article that has not been published - and we really must remember that. If we simply accept what Coinbase has published as truth, then it frames everything differently. But we must read what they’ve written as an attempt at controlling the narrative. They’re asking the world to di…
> we really must remember that Do we? Your opinion that is poorly executed doesn't actually mean that it is. > But we must read what they’ve written as an attempt at controlling the narrative. And...? God forbid their wanting to control the narrative about... Themselves? I'm not seeing the problem there. > They’re asking the world to discredit an article that (as you’ve mentioned) hasn’t been published yet. That dese…
Yes - I believe you did read it incorrectly. I am personally inclined to trust the NYT more than the words of a CEO of a tech company; I personally put more trust in the former rather than the latter.
As you’ve eloquently laid out - that’s a personal choice I make, and I own that. But I am not declaiming in my comment that the NYT should be inherently trusted by all.
Now - if you want to ask me that question directly: I do think that the NYT is more trustworthy than Coinbase. And if you want my opinion on the matter, yeah - I think you should trust the NYT too!
But: that simply wasn’t what I said in my original comment. I don’t think that’s a fair reading of it at all.
> You literally called it "fundamental truth" in your original comment, so I'm actually a bit curious about your answer to your own question.
I would answer it by saying you’ve missed the forest for the trees. I was not alleging that the article will be “fundamental truth” - in the sense that every word it says will be true. Rather, my comments in context imply that I trust there will be at least some truth in the article - and that the words Coinbase published serve to highlight the presumed core of truth in the article.
What you’ve said here is nitpicking at a word and ignoring how it’s used in the context of my words as a whole, and doesn’t move the conversation forward.
> This is not enlightened discourse. Again, just because you think it is doesn't mean that it is. Specially when using vague non-descriptions like "amateurish".
You’re right; this is devolving into name-calling. And I stand by my usage of “amateurish”. That is a perfectly acceptable word to use in a discussion here, and it’s not even as imprecise as you claim. If you have questions about what it means, of course, do ask.
I’m not going to engage further on this thread. You’re nit-picking at words here in a really unkind way.
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That's the beauty of it. Denying the charge or defending yourself simply digs you deeper into the hole. What you're supposed to do is admit you're a racist, fall down on your knees, abjectly beg forgiveness of your accusers, and list all the new things you'll be doing to stop being racist. Then your accusers have the power to forgive you. But you really, truly have to go all the way in submitting to their demands. An…
> Defending myself against ridiculous allegations What in the heck are you doing that's inviting frequent accusations of racism?
> The point is, if you want to face reality rather than live in a comfortable fantasy, you have to confront the possibility that the racists are right about one thing: It's possible that some races really do have less intelligence than others.
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Susan Flower's allegations ultimately led to the firing of Uber's CEO
> As Brian shared with the ColorBlock ERG this morning, we don’t care what The New York Times thinks. Yeah, if this is the level of maturity that’s in charge, it doesn’t matter if these execs personally discriminate against their black employees. They’re donezo.
Should probably share the whole quote and not just cherry pick.
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Anybody can accuse you of anything, it’s true, but accusations of racism without specific allegations of racist behaviours or actions are rarely reported in NYT.
The NYT? After the Trump presidency? Here is a helpful attack article they wrote about an issue that turned out not to involve any particular racial undertones [0] - although you wouldn't figure that out from the NYT reporting. They aren't known for being careful before calling people racist with light evidence. Another good example of 'nobody has any examples of you being racist' being nowhere near enough to keep a…
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I don't know the details of the story, but the thing is with baseless accusations of 'racism' is that it's a perfect slander, one can never prove innocence once proclaimed guilty.
Luckily we have journalism and can see what these people claim. Perhaps the article has substance, perhaps it doesn't. One thing I do know - I would not have read this article had it not been for this post by Coinbase.
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It's a bit melodramatic to characterize their primary output as race-baiting propaganda However I think it's interesting to compare and contrast how they handled Andrew Sullivan's racist comments from 26 years ago, Sarah Jeong's racist comments from 5-8 years ago, and Quinn Norton's use of slurs around 8 years ago.
I think context is quite important. Andrew Sullivan is notorious for believing in some version of The Bell Curve theory — that differences in academic achievement can be at least partly explained by measurable differences in average intelligence between different races. He promoted that view in his role as editor of a major news magazine in the early 90s. That sets him apart from Quinn Norton, who nevertheless used s…
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> If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. Cardinal Richelieu There’s no need to lie in a hit piece. You can select your material, shade the truth and quote people who hate your subject on their opinions. Lying leaves you open to libel and slander too.
"Hit piece" is in and of itself a framing that clearly has a bias toward one side. Was the reporting from multiple outlets on Theranos a series of hit pieces? They were all negative, but that doesn't mean they were wrong. Coinbase has preemptively presented their side of the story in an effort to make us all say "oh, yeah, that's the hit piece we were warned about," but we haven't actually seen the other side of the…
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These aren’t exactly what you are asking about but some recent examples of what I consider to be disingenuous and manipulative: 1. The New York Times published a scathing critique of Google’s 4000 word privacy policy, neglecting anywhere to mention that their own privacy policy was 25% longer and sketchier. 2. The entire handling of the Caliphate podcast and subsequent backpedaling and retroactive reframing. 3. Simil…
#1 NYT's own privacy policy is irrelevant in context. Google's privacy policy affects most of the internet, aka, most of the world. The NYT's privacy policy affects the significantly smaller (and comparatively insignificant) number of people who read the NYT on its website. #3 The adjustments (aka corrections) were not silent. They announced them, and the big corrections even got their own NYT articles, see e.g., htt…
https://quillette.com/2020/09/19/down-the-1619-projects-memo...
(Side note I don’t really trust Quillette either but I do believe this sequence of events is what unfolded)