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An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by alasdair_ »

dmix wrote: post #21
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #10

It's really really hard to prove your not racist. If anyone has any clue as how to do so, please share. They could have waited until the story was published I guess to share this statement, but publishing it preemptively makes sense too I believe (it's an always open entity that is incredibly easy to switch away from). But truly, when you get accused of racism, what can you even do?

Being as transparent as possible and investigating complaints as they come up. > three of these people filed complaints during their time at Coinbase. All of those complaints were thoroughly investigated, one through an internal investigation and two by separate third-party investigators Using third parties sounds like a good idea here.

It depends on the third party and who is paying them to investigate. If coinbase is the one paying, the third party is unlikely to be unbiased.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by creata »

nullc wrote: post #93
nlh wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is that something that's going to make them reconsider sharing details in future stories? It's a fair question, but I doubt it. While getting a hot scoop and dropping it with a bang is something that feels good (and sells papers, so to speak), it's not the driving force behind how a professional news org works. The NYT is a professional news org. One of the things a professional news orgs does is fact check, get st…

The New York times is not a professional news org. They do not, in fact, fact check, get statements, or give their subjects a chance to respond, at least not consistently. When Nathaniel Popper wrote a hit piece substantially targeting me personally he (and NYT's fact checkers-- if they exist/were-involved at all) diligently avoided having any communication with anyone who could possibly contradict his narrative, inc…

The New York Times is one of the most respected news organizations in the world, so if they're not a "professional news org", then who is?

Also, do you elaborate on your struggle with the NYT elsewhere? I'm interested, but you haven't given us much information at all.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by [deleted] »

avolcano wrote: post #17

This is an odd thing to see widely published. I'm at a company that had a rather detailed negative article written about us, and we were warned about it internally shortly before it was published, after the reporter had contacted us with details and questions. However, we didn't go public with a reaction until after it was out, since it seemed rather pointless to respond to something that hadn't been published yet, e…

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Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by xapata »

ovao wrote: post #94
flowerlad wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's really really hard to prove your not racist. If anyone has any clue as how to do so, please share. If you have been accused of racism that's because somebody has an example of you being racist. If you did not have racist intent you can clarify your intent. Simply claiming you're not a racist won't do because pretty much everyone accused of racism makes that claim (example: central park dog walker, or any other…

That’s not accurate to say. A person may be accused of racism due to a misperception (or even fabrication) from another person’s perspective, and in such a case that’s not “an example of being racist”. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything; that’s not sufficient to suggest that the accused must be guilty on some level.

You misread (I think). I believe they meant an example of an event that can be interpreted as racist, even if it wasn't. Thus the proper reaction is to supply an alternative explanation.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by predictmktegirl »

travisoneill1 wrote: post #110
predictmktegirl wrote: post #56

[edit: Not going to risk retaliation for my family, not sure why I bothered]

> employees who walked out, "forcing" his hand > No one was asking for a political statement Pick one

They walked out because he wouldn't say, in private, that black people's lives mattered. It was simply outrageous to see that in this age. Do you really think it is political to say that a human's life is important, in private?

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by bra-ket »

drewbug01 wrote: post #78
jimmygrapes wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that Coinbase is well aware of NYT's recent decline from paper of record to race-baiting propaganda, and knows that instead of being factual about numbers NYT will use weasel words to make it seem like Coinbase's entire company is run by "far right extremist racists" or whatever similar language. Of course, only time and the publication of the NYT article will tell, but given their recent track record…

> race-baiting propaganda I think it’s reasonable to debate the quality of the NYT (and I have serious issues with a lot of what they publish - and dear lord, don’t get me started on how I feel about their opinion columnists). But I do think that calling the NYT “race-baiting propaganda” is a gross mischaracterization of what they do.

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Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by Damorian »

refulgentis wrote: post #74
Damorian wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've played this game before. Why should I expect it to be any different from the usual political social media cancel culture nonsense it always is? I'd love for my assumptions to be wrong though.

It's worth discussing but I'm not sure how to move in with the entrypoint, it feels like 'i know, its a strawman, but its not because the strawman is always real'

Have you heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

barry-cotter wrote: post #96
QuinnyPig wrote: post #44

I’m skeptical. I’ve worked with the NYT on a few stories; they’re incredibly thorough, and don’t publish unsubstantiated trash.

> If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. Cardinal Richelieu There’s no need to lie in a hit piece. You can select your material, shade the truth and quote people who hate your subject on their opinions. Lying leaves you open to libel and slander too.

"Hit piece" is in and of itself a framing that clearly has a bias toward one side. Was the reporting from multiple outlets on Theranos a series of hit pieces? They were all negative, but that doesn't mean they were wrong.

Coinbase has preemptively presented their side of the story in an effort to make us all say "oh, yeah, that's the hit piece we were warned about," but we haven't actually seen the other side of the story yet.

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