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hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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well the slight improvement in usability is a win, but is it really any more anonymous than recaptcha?

Unlike Google, which is making hundreds of billions with ads, we have zero reasons to track users - customers pay us to stop bots, and that's the product we provide.

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Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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With our hCaptcha Enterprise product ( https://www.botstop.com ), showing a CAPTCHA actually only happens in rare cases (relatively speaking..) - vast majority of bots are caught and stopped in the background (using ML), and most users will never see one.

Do you allow by click type?

Not sure what you mean by click type?

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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Worth noting that this title is primarily due to Cloudflare having switched to them from ReCAPTCHA, and Cloudflare is... well, relatively popular, to say the least. I'm curious what kind of data may exist on the experience of switching for larger providers; do the users like it? how much more/less time do they spend solving? do they care, let alone even notice that it's not Google's ReCAPTCHA? Regardless, as ReCAPTCH…

Disclaimer: I've been an engineer at hCaptcha for a few years now building out the service. I'm just as interested in you as hearing about customer and user success/pain stories! > Worth noting that this title is primarily due to Cloudflare having switched to them from ReCAPTCHA, and Cloudflare is... well, relatively popular, to say the least. That's definitely a part of it, but we also have a number of other large s…

Love the response, happy to see that it's going well then! After reading a lot of feedback I got from 'You (probably) don’t need ReCAPTCHA' (https://nearcyan.com/you-probably-dont-need-recaptcha/), it started to seem pretty obvious to me that there was an open market space for some better competitors, so I'm glad hCaptcha got around to being adopted with such success sooner rather than later. Hopefully the challenges of the future go just as smoothly as things are going in the present.

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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For me I find hCaptcha harder and more ambiguous than what I have experienced with reCaptcha. The ambiguity might be because my phone is set to Japanese. I got asked to identify 電車 (Densha, electric train), but there were also images of diesel train. Is it translation error, or is it really asking me to identify electric train? (The correct term for train in general in Japanese is 列車 ressha)

Great catch. If you'd like, you can actually submit a better translation via a pr here: https://github.com/hCaptcha/hcaptcha-i18n

I don't think you can? That repo has the translations of the strings used by the "meta"-part of the service, stuff like "accessibility information". I can't see any text used by the actual tasks.

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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Captcha is a terrible 90s technology, it should have been completely destroyed in year 2000. it's really annoying.

I couldn't agree more, and it seems to be on the rise. I used to get once a week maybe, like for a new signup to a forum. Fine, understandable. Now I get them multiple times per day.

It used to be a minor annoyance and I understood the reason for them in those cases. Now they've moved way beyond the 'pain threshold' and it's moved on to a blind hatred of them for me.

A similar thing happened for ads.. At first they were OK and I was fine with some ads paying for a sites. Then they became more intrusive flash crap. I started getting annoyed. Then all the tracking came in and full-page motion and sound ads and they really started abusing their privileges. Now I hate them so much I will never turn off my adblocker again for any site. They've just overstayed their welcome too much.

The same thing is happening now with captchas. Started as a good cause, but totally took advantage of the users to solve a problem that's just as well solved on the back end in most cases.

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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I see the product is offered in 2 plans, though the only paid plan is enterprise without publicly disclosed pricing. Anyone has info whether it's affordable also for small and bootstrapped businesses or it's primarily focusing on larger enterprises?

Last time I enquired they quoted starting $999/mo for 10m verifications...

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well the slight improvement in usability is a win, but is it really any more anonymous than recaptcha?

Unlike Google, which is making hundreds of billions with ads, we have zero reasons to track users - customers pay us to stop bots, and that's the product we provide.

one significant issue with recaptcha is that it punishes users who are not easily identifiable. the puzzle isn't enough for recaptcha - it needs to know who you are. is hcaptcha better in this regard? for example does it work behind tor? does it work with third party cookies disabled? is the challenge im ostensibly solving really the only thing required to verify my humanity? if so, i'm impressed! but if not, maybe we should just do away with the puzzles...

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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> which is basically why after a single reCAPTCHA solve, you wont see them prompt you again for ages - they know who you are. If only. If the same site has reCaptcha across more than one page, within mere minutes of having to slog through multiple screens of one, I can guarantee I'll be doing it again. And I'm never sure if Google has served me either a very long sequence of reCaptchas, or whether they've decided I'm…

Being on a VPN, have blockers on, or not logged into google are a few things that will increase the captchas you’ll see.

Also using a screen-reader and using anything other than Chrome.

Re: hCaptcha now runs on fifteen percent of the internet

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I dislike the widespread use of captcha regardless of provider. I realize anything connected to the internet will be subject to automated abuse, and it's impossible to run some types of services without taking some steps to defend against it, but it seems to me there's usually a way to handle that without invading the user's privacy or wasting their time. The exact details will vary based on the type of service, of c…

I find that when I solve a Captcha too quickly, I get another one. And another one. And another one. So instead, I wait a short time, click a few wrong boxes, then enter the correct Captcha. Maybe this is part of it, but I don't like it.
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