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Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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Nobody is forcing them to work. My guess is that being massively overpaid for what they do makes it worth it for them, otherwise we would've seen mass walkouts.

Dedication to, empathy for the humans that would otherwise die is the more likely conclusion.

Most people aren't solely motivated by greed.

Many nurses have actually had their pay cut during this pandemic and have kept slaving away in garbage bags and cloth masks despite their wholesale mistreatment.

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

#12

On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week (and they usually get real PPE rather than be told to reuse stuff) That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make, and the risk of being shot or having to write crappy unit tests is far smaller. Source if you don't believe me: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-nurses-big-money... Lmao what's wrong downvoters? Do…

I think your comment sounds a bit belittling to the work and hardships the nurses have to endure for the payment. In my book it is rather adequate.

I'm not sure how to relate having people die on you while being apart from your family to writing unit tests. It may be not intended to sound that way

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week (and they usually get real PPE rather than be told to reuse stuff) That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make, and the risk of being shot or having to write crappy unit tests is far smaller. Source if you don't believe me: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-nurses-big-money... Lmao what's wrong downvoters? Do…

>On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week

That's an upside? That some folks are making more money? While others are seriously ill, die / can't see family and etc?

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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post #5

On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week (and they usually get real PPE rather than be told to reuse stuff) That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make, and the risk of being shot or having to write crappy unit tests is far smaller. Source if you don't believe me: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-nurses-big-money... Lmao what's wrong downvoters? Do…

I don't care how much someone other than me makes. I care that you're so insensitive that when you're told that medical professionals are burning out en mass you think money makes up for it. That's so incredibly lacking in both empathy (they're human beings) and utility (they're medical care providers) that I can't reconcile it with any good-faith viewpoint on the world. So I have to assume it's trolling and should n…

Money absolutely makes up for it.

I used the soldier example because we as a society have decided that their PTSD and other burn-out is compensated by medical-care, and the money / benefits that the military pays you. One usually knows the serious risks of developing PTSD from being a soldier before entering. We do the same for Police Officers, and it's for these reasons that cops end up so well paid in many places.

The medical field is similar. We pay them more as a way to compensate them for the utility they bring to the world despite the risks associated with their job.

If I am lacking in empathy, than so is the rest of the world, and my particular instance of this "lack of empathy" is tiny compared to others.

If anything, we should celebrate that market forces are giving mistreated nurses a way out. I think that if anything, we should be very happy that market forces are giving disgruntled nurses a way to stick the finger to their shitty hospital management ("Oh, you won't let me have new PPE? Fu*k you I quit and I'm taking a job that pays 10x as much...")

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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post #5

On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week (and they usually get real PPE rather than be told to reuse stuff) That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make, and the risk of being shot or having to write crappy unit tests is far smaller. Source if you don't believe me: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-nurses-big-money... Lmao what's wrong downvoters? Do…

I don't care how much someone other than me makes. I care that you're so insensitive that when you're told that medical professionals are burning out en mass you think money makes up for it. That's so incredibly lacking in both empathy (they're human beings) and utility (they're medical care providers) that I can't reconcile it with any good-faith viewpoint on the world. So I have to assume it's trolling and should n…

He said, "on the upside". In no way did he detract from the work they are doing.

I also don't get the downvoted.

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week (and they usually get real PPE rather than be told to reuse stuff) That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make, and the risk of being shot or having to write crappy unit tests is far smaller. Source if you don't believe me: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-nurses-big-money... Lmao what's wrong downvoters? Do…

> are now routinely making 5-10K a week [...] That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make

That's not an unusual amount of money to make at L5 after a few years, and unlike the traveling nurse position, it's not temporary.

That being said, I'm glad to see hospitals competing on actual worker safety, hopefully this will encourage hospitals to have sustainable stocks of PPE in the future.

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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Nobody is forcing them to work. My guess is that being massively overpaid for what they do makes it worth it for them, otherwise we would've seen mass walkouts.

What lazy thinking. No, they can't just quit and asserting they can is ignorant.

What are they going to do, go to another hospital that is going to treat them the exact same way, taking a huge step backwards in their career progression?

What if there ISN'T another hospital nearby and they do not want to have a massive commute, or worse, uproot their family and move to a new area?

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

#18
After spending billions of dollars on lobbying to corner the market Physicians and hospital workers are tired.

I'm sure they sleep fine in their multi million dollar homes.

My best solution is to create a Science based healthcare alternative as competition to current Authority based healthcare system.

Regarding COVID, Do we really need someone to spend 14 years to learn to put a ventilator in? Or can we teach this 1 specific job in 1500 hours of training? Can we teach people how to use oxygen as almost 90% of patients don't need anything beyond oxygen?

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

#19
For anyone reading this that may be a major donor or board member at a hospital:

Proactively ensure that your staff, from the food court contractors, to top surgeons have comfortable pay, support, time off, insurance, and supplies or the ones you need won't be there when you need them the most for a variety of reasons.

Re: Doctors and Nurses Are Running on Empty

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post #5

On the upside, traveling nurses are now routinely making 5-10K a week (and they usually get real PPE rather than be told to reuse stuff) That's far better money than most soldiers (or even FAANG engineers) make, and the risk of being shot or having to write crappy unit tests is far smaller. Source if you don't believe me: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-nurses-big-money... Lmao what's wrong downvoters? Do…

I don't care how much someone other than me makes. I care that you're so insensitive that when you're told that medical professionals are burning out en mass you think money makes up for it. That's so incredibly lacking in both empathy (they're human beings) and utility (they're medical care providers) that I can't reconcile it with any good-faith viewpoint on the world. So I have to assume it's trolling and should n…

This is a self created problem by using regulatory capture.

Sure the human is tired, but the profession is greedy.

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