Live data from Hacker News

Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

singhkays.com

871–880 of 1001 posts

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#871

How about when connecting an external monitor? My 2019 Mac Book Pro will get very hot after a few minutes and many people report the same.

The M1 Air is cool as a cucumber. I've tried everything in my power to heat it up, nothing works. The closest I've gotten is slightly warm when running the Cinebench benchmark.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#872

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The RAM limitation on the first gen M1s makes this claim a bit dubious.

https://www.diyphotography.net/this-700-computer-can-edit-8k...

That article is only looking at if the CPU is fast enough to keep up with an import. Basically a toy benchmark. You're going to be butting up against the memory limit in no time once you start actually editing.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#873

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, I'm in the 2020 MBP group. But I still think these M1 Macs--as awesome as they undoubtedly are--are not quite yet ready for developers. Virtualization support still looks iffy, and while I really don't care much whether my container is Arm or x86, the ecosystems and tooling around those architectures are still at different levels of maturity. The exciting (or depressing, for the 2020 crew) thing is that the fact…

I bought my MBP for personal projects, in which I don't use Docker or any other virtualization-based tooling and I could live with 16GB RAM. I expect the kinks with things like Brew to be worked out in a matter of weeks. So I think these would do fine for my purposes

Brew is claiming otherwise.

https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/7857

I've had more success using MacPorts (https://macports.org). About 80% of what I've tried has worked. Most things that don't work, you can download source and build it yourself. Autoconf, automake, cmake, pkg-config etc work via MacPorts.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#874
post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A machine that wont outperform the new mini $6000 16 cores 32GB of ram least powerful gpu on the list 2GB of storage $8,799.00 28 cores 48GB of ram same gpu 4GB of storage $14,699 MSRP on a 2020 Toyota Corolla $19,600 AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core 3.7 GHz Socket sTRX4 $2,629.90 Cost of the same basic GPU about $219 Cost of complete system equivalent to the almost car priced mac about 4200. 9k-15k isn't "a lot"…

3970x 32-core is I got curious... - amd 3990x 64-core 128 thread $3849 - 256gb g.skill ddr 3600 $978 - noctua nh-u14s cooler $80 - samsung 980 pro 1tb nvme pcie4 $229 - evga 1000w power supply $207 - fractal design define 7 $170 - asus trx40-pro mb $396 - nvidia rtx 3080 $699 (?) - steve jobs: a biography $15 (hardcover) = a really maxed out system $6623 probably 1/2 that for a 5950x/am4 system EDIT: ok, I had to kno…

Looks pretty nice, but for many you'd be better off with: - AMD 5600x or 5700x (saving $500 or $400) - Samsung 970 pro 2TB for $229 (twice the space for the same price) - rtx 3060 (in a few weeks)

You'll save a fair bit of $600, run quite a bit cooler, it will be much easier to be quieter, and have twice the disk space. Or buy 2x2TB NVMe (motherboards with 2x m.2 are common these days).

Sure the 5600x/5700x isn't as fast in throughput, but how often do you max more then 6/8 cores? Per core performance is near identical and with more memory bandwidth per core you run into less bottlenecks.

I bet over a few years more people would notice double the disk than the missing extra cores.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#875
post #708

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but offering no machine suitable for developers and power users will eventually hurt them when they leave whole ecosystem.

> suitable for developers and power users Important to note 'some' here. I'm a developer and power user, and haven't had a desktop computer in almost 10 years.

Me too. I last had a desktop, at work, about that long ago, and have not bought a desktop computer for myself in a lot longer. Laptops got very good and I can still plug it into a monitor and external controllers when I need to. I don’t need a server at home because of the cloud and broadband.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#876
post #57

Not to speak for anyone else, but one thing I gently disagree with: > Given that Hackintoshers are a particular bunch who don’t take kindly to the Apple-tax[...] I have zero issues with an Apple premium or paying a lot for hardware. I think a major generator of interest in hackintoshes has been that there are significant segments of computing that Apple has simply completely (or nearly completely) given up on, includ…

Apple does not want to offer to the hackintosh/enthusiast market because they are the most price conscious segment. Targeting that segment means putting out extremely performant, low-margin commodity machines. Doing so then cannibalizes the market for their ultra-high-end stuff. Not only that, though. Enthusiasts are also extremely fickle and quick to jump ship to a cheaper hardware offering. If you look at all of Ap…

When Apple first mandated kext signing (Mountain Lion?) they explicitly whitelisted certain community built kexts used for Hackintosh. IMO Apple and the Hackintosh community has been mutually benefited until now. Many who have accustomed to macOS from Hackintosh has eventually invested in Apple products.

Considering Apple has only went after those who profiteered by selling pre-built Hackintosh and not everyone who are profiteering from Hackintosh scene; I would say Apple did care about the Hackintosh community in some way.

I thought the higher performance/price Hackintosh, especially with Ryzen might force Apple to act differently but now with M1, Apple needn't worry about Hackintosh performance/price anymore.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#877
post #708

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but offering no machine suitable for developers and power users will eventually hurt them when they leave whole ecosystem.

> Okay, but offering no machine suitable for developers You mean... software developers? The same people who almost universally use a Mac?

I use a mac because other developers do in my office. But I'd be just as productive on a linux or windows machine.

For a while osx had the edge because it had a nice interface while still offering a lot of unix. Now windows and linux has caught up in the areas they were lacking before. Meanwhile apple has been caring less and less about people using the cli.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

#878

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As for Zoom, YouTube, and Netflix, existing hardware is more than fine enough. Didn't suggest these were jobs existing CPUs struggle with. I said the video encode/ decode makes the CPU much more efficient which increases battery life.

But existing CPUs already use accelerated decode for these tasks. They have been for years and years. Those hardware decode blocks just aren't powerful enough for 6K RAW video, but they are fine for YouTube, Netflix, and Zoom, and indeed it's already accelerated. So there is literally no benefit.

> So there is literally no benefit.

If there were no benefit, Apple wouldn't be able to decode 8K video with a low end Mac mini. People wouldn't be seeing vastly better battery life when viewing videos and using Zoom.

Post reply on HN