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Obviously, I have no evidence for making such a claim. What I know is
1. Facebook's reputation with regards to privacy.
2. The fact that they paid 20 billion dollars to buy a product without a monetization model. (Which is 20 times more than they paid for Instagram by the way.)
3. Whatsapp's founder left the company after the acquisition due to privacy concerns.
It's enough to be more than suspicious.
E2E encryption in closed source automatically updated programs doesn't provide any real assurance: whoever makes the program can subvert your privacy at any time. Do you trust the author of the program? Then E2E doesn't add much. Do you not trust the author of the program? E2E doesn't help. Either way, what's the point? Sure, I guess E2E provides some kind of additional privacy at the margin or something, but you can…
> WhatsApp can now read your recent messages when you report a user This feature is just an extension of manually making a screenshot and attaching it to the messages. As much as I like E2EE, I don't see where the problem lies? It's you who opts in into getting a third party involved. E2EE doesn't mean that no third party is ever going to see the content, it only means that nobody sees it by default .
E2E encryption in closed source automatically updated programs doesn't provide any real assurance: whoever makes the program can subvert your privacy at any time. Do you trust the author of the program? Then E2E doesn't add much. Do you not trust the author of the program? E2E doesn't help. Either way, what's the point? Sure, I guess E2E provides some kind of additional privacy at the margin or something, but you can…
https://faq.whatsapp.com/android/chats/about-google-drive-ba...
All end to end encryption does is protect you from eve spying on conversations between Alice and bob. Nothing prevents Bob from doxing/publishing all of Alice’s messages.
Edit: it’s true that the signal protocol provides deniability for messages but if Bob publishes Alice’s messages and whatsapp can prove that bob sent and Alice received messages that match those time stamps...
This is why signal deleting logs matters.
> WhatsApp can now read your recent messages when you report a user This feature is just an extension of manually making a screenshot and attaching it to the messages. As much as I like E2EE, I don't see where the problem lies? It's you who opts in into getting a third party involved. E2EE doesn't mean that no third party is ever going to see the content, it only means that nobody sees it by default .
Does it mean messages can be read without agreement? Let's imagine "a glitch" where operator sees that user has opt in, but they didn't - can they see messages?
> WhatsApp can now read your recent messages when you report a user This feature is just an extension of manually making a screenshot and attaching it to the messages. As much as I like E2EE, I don't see where the problem lies? It's you who opts in into getting a third party involved. E2EE doesn't mean that no third party is ever going to see the content, it only means that nobody sees it by default .
Does it mean messages can be read without agreement? Let's imagine "a glitch" where operator sees that user has opt in, but they didn't - can they see messages?
The only case where the current E2EE security model is changed is when the protocol gains a feature to enable the client to attach a cryptographic proof about the message's content. That would violate the non-repudiation properties of the Signal protocol, but it would make reports more believable as you can't fake them any more with a modified client. As I've said I don't know the implementation, but it's entirely possible that they didn't include any cryptographic proof and keep it equivalent to screenshotting.