Grand Unification of Web Technologies Proposal

Couldn't disagree more strongly.

The web worked because of its unique network architecture (REST/HATEOAS) which handles a chaotic, loosely coupled and dynamically evolving network topology extremely well.

The web suffered from the fact that HTML was a limited hypertext, which hurt usability and encouraged javascript-based work arounds. So we should fix that, rather than tossing the idea of a hypertext architecture. (That's exactly what I tried to do with https://htmx.org, which just went 1.0 btw)

There are tons of hacks and problems with layout and all the rest, but that has nothing to do with using javascript over the original hypertext model for the web. That's just how real world systems end up when they are the most successful network architecture ever devised.

Grand Appification of The Web proposal does not fill me with joy. It seems like a way to drag the web backwards, in to the murk & mire that is iconified by big monolithic large applications.

> The Grand Unification of Web Technologies is a proposal to unite all web technologies inside a browser creating a new, simple, more powerful and unified system. To achieve this, the functionality of HTML and CSS would be merged into JavaScript, a far superior technology, effectively obsoleting the other two.

The most user-hating proposal possible. Takes a huge case full of dynamite to the web being a place of documents, where there is well defined mark up that can be changed, & rebases the web to be hard to change, difficult, confusing javascript.

I find this proposal gross & immoral.

> We need to realize that the approach to consider every single web page as a "document" rather than an "application", does not work anymore.

> For this, a website should be considered an application rather than a document.

Web developers need to do a better job of using routers, such that the single page app does better align with documents, as the user expects. We should make things better, not dynamite documents.

Further, we ought be using semantic web technology, to make well defined sub-documents on the page. Documents within documents.

"gross and immoral" is uncalled for, and a pretty toxic way to start a conversation.

And you keep saying users "expect documents" but where is that coming from? Most users on the internet today do not expect documents. I'd argue they don't really expect apps either, webpages live in kind of a world of their own.

PS: I don't particularly care for this proposal, but clearly a lot of effort has gone into it and I find it "gross and immoral" to post comments dismissing it so thoughtlessly like this one.

When all you have is an idiom, every comment looks like an opportunity to repeat it.

Yeah, no. The web is precisely there for networked info/doc access. OTOH there never was a reason to take regular apps away into browsers; that's what OSes are for. Especially not when the lock-in detour through browsers also undermines the above-stated principal functions of the web.