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Charles Darwin notebooks lost and assumed stolen

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> no practical benefits ... except being a tax-free investment that will likely hold value forever (because it’s effectively unique) and is often easier to secure than more typical assets (because it’s hard to resell without very specific contacts).

except being a tax-free investment that will likely hold value forever That is a lot less likely when it comes to stolen artifacts.

Also, if you steal it, it’s income and you have to pay income tax, so it’s not tax-free. That’s what did in Al Capone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone#Tax_evasion)

You also may have to pay wealth tax over possessing expensive goods.

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Also the tag is often different from the readable title in (the HN bookmarklet picks up the title tag). And that's throughout many news organizations. CNN does that all the time.

Somewhat related to this, the BBC have an annoying habit of using a photo in a thumbnail for an article, and not providing the full-size photo anywhere.

Just to let you know this may be due to the license for that image. They may have just bought the thumbnail size license.

If you want find the full size image, it may be on one of the image archives (eg. Getty, PA images etc).

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And why shouldn't they? Is it only the West that has an exclusive right over art? If they can pay for it, and its future maintenance, and there's a willing seller, then why not? It's not like all of the Louvre's pieces were commissioned by some French king, and the same goes for MOMA or any of London's museums. In fact, let's be glad they're buying it and not looting it like the West did with a large portion of their…

And why shouldn't they? No one is saying they shouldn't. The main thing people are questioning is the ridiculous amount of money they spent for a painting more and more people are convinced isn't actually a Da Vinici. Secondly the painting hasn't actually showed up in any museum yet, and in fact no one knows for sure where it actually is. Anonymous Oil Sheiks drastically overpaying (and shattering the old art sale re…

Does it even matter why? They have the money, it's their concern, it's not a concern for people who aren't remotely interested in it.

I think the painting's whereabouts are pretty well known in many circles - some vault in Switzerland. As for why it hasn't come up, it was originally bought by the Saudi Crown Prince as a vanity piece, which he decided to initially loan to the Louvre Abu Dhabi, but then he himself wanted to create a new tourism economy in Saudi Arabia to rival that of the UAE (good luck with that), so he decided not to loan it, while they await the construction of some new museum (and new city) in North West Saudi Arabia. Kinda silly tbh, but for a while it was stored on his private yacht (which is even sillier).

As for its authenticity, I thought questions around it were settled a long time back - it is a Da Vinci original because it has some corrections (change of thumb position being the main one), which are only possible in a piece an original painter would do and not a mere copyist. But it's been heavily altered because it had to be severely repainted - even the back of it had fallen to termites and the painting had to be glued together.

If it turns out to be fake, it does make for a funny story, but it's a considerably less sum than what they are accustomed to. And even if it turned out to be fake, they could simply engage the seller (Sotheby's in this case) in vicious litigation and possibly even bankrupt it (there's a parallel case against Sotheby's for the same painting by the previous owner).

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If the thefts from the Royal Library, in Denmark, is anything to go by, I would look into past librarians. Especially those that have retired. https://www.liberquarterly.eu/articles/10.18352/lq.7874/

Yes, that's unfortunately a well-established pattern :(

https://www.capcollections.org.uk/news_events/foxes-in-hen-h...

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It seems really odd to me to say they are "worth many millions of pounds". Are there really people out there willing to make a sacrifice of many millions just to own these notebooks? And does that mean they were on the market all along? I find that really difficult to believe. We used to say things like this are priceless.

> Does that mean they were on the market all along?

No - based on the prices fetched by similarly unique documents of great historical relevance, an estimate in this range for what they would fetch, if they were offered for sale, seems very reasonable.

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This is a bit reminiscent of the "This American Life" episode, wherein precious evolutionary science bird feathers make their way into fishing flies. It's a really great story. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/654/the-feather-heist

"The Feather Thief" by Kirk Wallace Johnson is the book that piece is about. It's a much more thrilling and fascinating read than you might expect. Absolutely worth a read/listen!

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I love how the Cambridge Library took 20 years to be sure they hadn't been mis-shelved.

If Dr. Gardner, who became director of library services in 2017, had continued with the self-serving rationalizations of her predecessors, she would have herself come to 'own' the problem, by becoming a party to the dissembling. So, I guess she instituted a thorough search, and when it failed, announced the fact.

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Apparently there are a lot of high net-worth individuals that take pleasure in acquiring such cultural goods to hang them in their private studies or re-sell them. The Nebra Sky Disk ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk ) was e.g. excavated by two "tomb raiders" who sold it on the black market, and only after the disk changed hands multiple times it was re-acquired by the federal government in a sting polic…

Sounds straight out of the movies. Black market for ancient/cultural artifacts that provide no practical benefits whatsoever to someone's life. Fascinating.

I mean, it's not surprising given the popularity of much less tangible cryptocoins. Cryptocoins are basically taking that idea to the extreme, going farther than removing all benefits and requiring constant burning of energy to keep them alive.

At least with a museum piece, you own a tangible piece of history. It's much more material than a digital checksum chain to some 2009 Satoshi ones and zeros.

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