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Re: Proptee: £0 commission property stock exchange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homes are not investment vehicles to make people wealthy.. A huge number of people use the equity from investing in a house as a retirement fund. They very literally are investment vehicles. You can argue that they shouldn't be, or that there should be a class of housing that isn't treated like an asset, but that would be very hard to achieve without some serious market manipulation.

> that would be very hard to achieve without some serious market manipulation. Note that the housing market's already heavily manipulated, in an effort to keep the Ponzi scheme going a bit longer (e.g. Help to Buy, etc.)

Isn't Help to Buy only for first time buyers, so it biases against Buy to Lets?

Re: Proptee: £0 commission property stock exchange

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post #19
post #12

Whilst this is no doubt innovative, everything that is abysmally wrong with property ownership in the UK stems from complicated ownership structures like that being proposed here. Just look at the leasehold scandal (and upcoming reform), the push for commonhold, and the things that go wrong (such as the cladding scandal following Grenfell). Homes are not investment vehicles to make people wealthy - they are a fundame…

Homes are not investment vehicles to make people wealthy.. A huge number of people use the equity from investing in a house as a retirement fund. They very literally are investment vehicles. You can argue that they shouldn't be, or that there should be a class of housing that isn't treated like an asset, but that would be very hard to achieve without some serious market manipulation.

There's a very large difference between an individual using a house as a home, then selling and realising any increase in value, vs. a commercial company owning a property as an investment vehicle (in the literal sense - people can invest in the company!) and then letting the property out (or selling a time-based lease to a leaseholder).

Re: Proptee: £0 commission property stock exchange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that would be very hard to achieve without some serious market manipulation. Note that the housing market's already heavily manipulated, in an effort to keep the Ponzi scheme going a bit longer (e.g. Help to Buy, etc.)

Isn't Help to Buy only for first time buyers, so it biases against Buy to Lets?

Yes but I imagine the argument would be that it leads to a reduction in supply & increased demand meaning fewer houses available to compete over which results in a higher over all price which can be applied to all houses, inflating the price beyond a houses intrinsic value.

Re: Proptee: £0 commission property stock exchange

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Leasehold https://leasehold.io/ is an alternative which uses a deflationary blockchain cryptocurrency to distribute profits to token holders. It distributes profits via a token buyback (and burn) mechanism which maximizes the reward for long-term token holders. When the buyback comes at the end of each month, you can sell tokens back to Leasehold Holdings on one of the exchanges and cash out or you can hold your toke…

The term "leasehold" has very negative connotations in the UK, just so you know.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-85...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54023631

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/06/leasehold-scandal-one-y...

Re: Proptee: £0 commission property stock exchange

#39
post #9

Will be interesting to see how they build their management fee in, what realized fees look like, how units are valued and whether that price can be independently verified. Clearly the aim is to dress this up to feel like exchange trading, but there is no open market for some standardized unit of "fractional landlording", so presumably they are always on the other side of every transaction.

I would happily be on the other side of many of their transactions... I imagine they'll be severely short of liquidity, and therefore there'll be a decent opportunity for anyone willing to provide that...
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