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I am choosing capitalism because it doesn't end with shooting pregnant women and children in empty fields.
So if I can prove capitalism led to shooting some pregnant women and children in empty fields, what position do you plan to switch to?
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> under communism everything is about status and nothing is about value that is not quite correct: in socialist countries the elite had their own closed shops, a much higher salary and access to lots of material goods that mere workers just didn't have. These goodies were kept from the public eye, but most people knew about their existence, it was somewhat of an 'open secret'.
I am not sure this contradicts what I said. Those goodies were provided by assigned status.
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So if I can prove capitalism led to shooting some pregnant women and children in empty fields, what position do you plan to switch to?
Hopefully whatever alternative proposed wherein that doesn't happen.
Mind experiment: In the last paragraph of dang's top post replace "communism" witch "nazism" and "Engels" and "Marx" with "Hitler" and "Mussolini". How would you feel about it? There are probably millions of people in the USA who barely escaped with their lives from vile communist regimes and yet the idea of communism is still entertained as some misunderstood noble thing. Until there will be "Nuremberg trials" equiv…
On the other hand, there are 40+ million U.S. citizens, of African origin, each with at least one ancestor at the bottom of the Atlantic due to the capitalist trans-Atlantic slave trade. Enslaved for four centuries, building capitalist America literally with their bodies as some of the first U.S. millionaires earned their millions from intercontinental human trafficking. There are roughly 5 million Indigenous U.S. ci…
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Which of your examples do you think is private property?
Personal property is private property. The term "personal property" is mostly used by Marxists.
When Tom Morello (RATM & Audioslave guitarist) is interviewed the tension between rich rockstar and firebrand anarchist usually provokes some sort of political exchange that ends in " if you're such a communist, why do you X? " To which, he normally responds " I live in capitalist... when the revolution comes..., I'll take part in however music works then. " I've seen him have this dialogue several times. My guess is…
You can look at it as hypocrisy but in the end I have found this concept not so useful. It's more interesting to look at it as contradictions, complexity, and so on. Hypocrisy is an interesting concept because of the self-contradiction in it. It's a word that is only ever applied to others, yet there is not one of us who isn't a hypocrite. Therefore the word is an instance of itself. The day I realized this, indignat…
[0] https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/hypocrisy (Lexico powered by Oxford)
[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy
If you mean to say there are no people that consider themselves to be hypocrites, then I would have to disagree: there are plenty of people who try, fail, and continue to keep trying to not be hypocritical. However, if you mean to say that hypocrisy is something that we almost always hear about when someone applies it to another, then I understand what you are trying to say.
I think I also understand what you mean by choosing to look at things using the lens / identifying a person’s action as a contradiction as opposed to hypocritical in that the former is an observation and the latter is an observation and a judgment/conclusion that may or may not have the full context/complexity taken into account.
Mind experiment: In the last paragraph of dang's top post replace "communism" witch "nazism" and "Engels" and "Marx" with "Hitler" and "Mussolini". How would you feel about it? There are probably millions of people in the USA who barely escaped with their lives from vile communist regimes and yet the idea of communism is still entertained as some misunderstood noble thing. Until there will be "Nuremberg trials" equiv…
Similarly to how I react to replacing "communism" with "[economic] liberalism" and "Marx" with "Rand" and "Engels" with "the Chicago boys". Unsurprisingly, changing the words in a text changes its meaning.
> There are probably millions of people in the USA who barely escaped with their lives from vile communist regimes and yet the idea of communism is still entertained as some misunderstood noble thing. Until there will be "Nuremberg trials" equivalent for communism such ideas will unfortunately continue to propagate.
What do you think are the ideas of communism and of Marx and Engels in general?
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I am not sure this contradicts what I said. Those goodies were provided by assigned status.
i just don't know if the actors were in for the status, or for the perks that went with it. Hard to tell what is primary and what is secondary.
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You can look at it as hypocrisy but in the end I have found this concept not so useful. It's more interesting to look at it as contradictions, complexity, and so on. Hypocrisy is an interesting concept because of the self-contradiction in it. It's a word that is only ever applied to others, yet there is not one of us who isn't a hypocrite. Therefore the word is an instance of itself. The day I realized this, indignat…
I am a little confused by what you mean. Here are two definitions that I looked up. [0] https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/hypocrisy (Lexico powered by Oxford) [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy If you mean to say there are no people that consider themselves to be hypocrites, then I would have to disagree: there are plenty of people who try, fail, and continue to keep trying to not be hypocrit…
Another way of making this point about self-contradiction is to say that anger at others for being hypocritical is itself hypocritical.