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Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by crazygringo »

bobsoap wrote: post #22
crazygringo wrote: post #16

Um, this is a feature not a bug. If you're syncing with an iOS device in Finder, well cancel that first . Lots of applications can prevent rebooting to avoid data loss. Again, this is a GOOD thing. Sheesh.

He said he couldn't cancel. The article is not that long, it's not hard to find.

Sometimes processes hang -- bugs exist -- and there's no getting around it but to kill them. (The author doesn't even explain exactly what they were doing or why they couldn't cancel it, but every major Finder file operation I'm aware of has a status bar and a cancel button.)

I'd still rather my OS refuse to shut down because it thinks a process could lose data.

Because at the end of the day I can always just hold down the power button to turn it off, you know?

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by weikju »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #31

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

Not entirely correct. I've run into this problem on Catalina as well, and very often it IS a bug with the phone syncing (yes people still sync, we're not all backing up our phones to iCloud).

The phone appears to be done syncing, there's no progress bar/circle/spinner anywhere, the phone might even be disconnected from USB (though some syncing can happen over wifi), and YET, and yet! The Mac refuses to let go and reboot.

Unlike the blog author though, I figured out that 'sudo reboot' works very well in this situation...

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by zenexer »

donatj wrote: post #25
gamblor956 wrote: post #8

I have rebooted my (windows) PC every day for the last year. I only reboot my phone when it has a system update. Sounds like just another problem with the Big Sur update for MacOS.

I have not rebooted my Mac since COVID started fwiw.

Yikes--that's not good. You really do need those security updates; they're not optional if your Mac is connected to the internet or has any form of communication with the outside world. There have been some nasty vulnerabilities over the past year.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by ryandrake »

notRobot wrote: post #23
pugworthy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.

> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.

THANK YOU, brother!

I really hate this (not so recent) concept of having to ask my computer “pretty please, with sugar on top, do this thing.” When I command my computer to do something I expect it to do that thing immediately. Not ask me if I’m sure, not do it later when it’s not too busy, not do something else because AI. Do it right now! Even the wording has changed. We used to command our computers, now we issue requests. And maybe if the computer feels like it, it will actually listen to the user.

On PCs it all started with the “shutdown” button. Used to be, when you wanted to turn your computer off, you flipped the mechanical switch and it’s off. Now we have all these buffers to flush and caches to sync, and inscrutable background tasks doing god knows what that you have to wait for. So now instead of the switch you need to ask very nicely: “Please oh wise computer, do this thing that was instant and reliable before!”

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by ironmagma »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #31

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

A sync should be an atomic operation. Or at the very least, reversible if it gets interrupted. In that case, a reboot should be able to happen at any time.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by a1369209993 »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #31

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

Can you forcefully stop the sync or[0] reboot the still-trying-to-sync computer if the OS doesn't want you to? I'm not up to date on the material these sorts of posts are Hallmark-style-loosely-inspired-by-true-story-esque based on. Edit: FWIW, weikju seems to claim that `sudo reboot` still works correctly (forces a reboot regardless of what the OS wants) as of Catalina; I dunno about `kill -9`-ing the sync.

But other than that, yes. I was expecting this to be a legitimate problem like two-factor authentication on the computer.

0: by which I mean that both options are available, and you choose which, not that at least one is available.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by Semaphor »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #31

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

> Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts.

It offsets the "Everything apple does is good because it’s for the betterment of humanity"-posts.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by happytoexplain »

Semaphor wrote: post #47
bfgoodrich wrote: post #31

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

> Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. It offsets the "Everything apple does is good because it’s for the betterment of humanity"-posts.

Surely you don't think those two types of posts come anywhere near parity, numerically?

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by FpUser »

djrogers wrote: post #18

Wait, people still sync their phones? I thought that went away about 5 years ago... At least that’s the last time I or any of the people I ‘friend support’ for did so...

I keep everything backed up on my office server which are in turn backed up to other servers that I rent/colocate. I keep nothing on cloud.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by FpUser »

ryandrake wrote: post #44
notRobot wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.

THANK YOU, brother! I really hate this (not so recent) concept of having to ask my computer “pretty please, with sugar on top, do this thing.” When I command my computer to do something I expect it to do that thing immediately. Not ask me if I’m sure, not do it later when it’s not too busy, not do something else because AI. Do it right now! Even the wording has changed. We used to command our computers, now we issue…

You still have that switch on the back of the PC in case you did not notice.
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