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Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by CGamesPlay »

bgravinz wrote: post #173
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, it was people like this that once fingered the wrong person for the Boston Marathon bombing. It's all well and good as long as we remember not to put too much stock in it when it really matters.

Once an entire government worth of people led the US into war that cost millions of lives over fake reports of nukes. It would be interesting to compare the damage caused by open, crowd-sourced investigative efforts against the damage caused of closed "authoritative" investigative efforts.

> war that cost millions of lives

Not to show support for the invasion of Iraq, but it was a far cry from "millions of lives". https://www.iraqbodycount.org

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by alasdair_ »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #214
bgravinz wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once an entire government worth of people led the US into war that cost millions of lives over fake reports of nukes. It would be interesting to compare the damage caused by open, crowd-sourced investigative efforts against the damage caused of closed "authoritative" investigative efforts.

I think it’s amusing that the takeaway from this episode is “the intelligence agencies screwed up” and not “the intelligence agencies found no evidence, and then were directly pressured by their political masters to construct evidence to justify a desired military outcome.”

The intelligence agencies repeatedly highlighted that the information was dubious at best.

The politically appointed heads of the intelligence agencies used this information to lie to the American public.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by Balgair »

angst_ridden wrote: post #374
nitrogen wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least some of it was filmed by Lake Powell, closer to the southwest corner of Utah. It was really weird to see a bunch of troops coming ashore where I was hanging out on the beach a year earlier, against a very recognizable backdrop. Definitely broke the suspension of disbelief.

Try living in Los Angeles. Every other movie has some local detail pretending to be somewhere else. And if you're ever going up the highway east of the Sierra Nevada, be sure to stop in at Lone Pine's film history museum. The Alabama Hills just west of town have been stand-ins for every western state, as well as Mars, Afghanistan, the entire Middle East ... It's disconcerting to be watching a movie and seeing known l…

'Hollywood' in general is like this. All the film studios have real life people working in them and who have lives outside of their work. One of the reasons that Bel-Air, Beverly Hills, Malibu, etc. are what they have become is that they are a commutable distance to the studio lots. The same is then true of shooting locations in southern CA. The ability to go back home on the weekends/evenings (in the least) is very attractive as a shooting locale.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by oh_sigh »

skunkworker wrote: post #293
Phenomenit wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How someone found it: "I looked at rock type (Sandstone), color (red and white - no black streaks like found on higher cliffs in Utah), shape (more rounded indicating a more exposed area and erosion), the texture of the canyon floor (flat rock vs sloped indicating higher up in a watershed with infrequent water), and the larger cliff/mesa in the upper background of one of the photos. I took all that and lined it up wi…

Source for those interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/geoguessr/comments/jzw628/help_me_f... I'm still gobsmacked about the specific geological knowledge and application here turning into a very precise and relatively small search area.

I don't think it would have happened without the helicopter flight path....utah is a big place, even with a lot of geological clues.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by alasdair_ »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #230
matthewdgreen wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s amusing that the takeaway from this episode is “the intelligence agencies screwed up” and not “the intelligence agencies found no evidence, and then were directly pressured by their political masters to construct evidence to justify a desired military outcome.”

If the people at the agency had integrity, they would have immediately brought these concerns up the chain or public.

They did. And they did again.

And the public had literally millions of people on the streets shouting about it.

And we still went to war anyway.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by ckosidows »

tahoemph999 wrote: post #341

Kind of interesting. You can google map yourself to within a few 100 meters of the thing. I suspect the people who "found it" were really just pimping it? If there isn't already there will be trash around it soon. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Green+River,+UT/38.3431111,-...

You can see its shadow clear as day right next to the pin

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by oxymoran »

julienchastang wrote: post #198
wojtczyk wrote: post #94

The artist’s name is probably on the bottom face of the piece. :)

I seriously hope this piece of artwork, as it is clearly intended to be, is preserved. Utah already has a tradition in land art with Robert Smithson's, Spiral Jetty [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_Jetty

Look it’s not aliens but there is nothing clearly making this art. It’s far more likely a memorial for someone or something. It’s hidden. It’s expensive. And quite frankly, would be a shitty rip off if it was art.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by oh_sigh »

cantrevealname wrote: post #184
MrSourz wrote: post #41

A reddit user [1] found its location [2] and another figured out it was installed sometime during 2015-2016 based on when the satellite imagery changed. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/k01dc3/mysterious_m... [2] https://goo.gl/maps/2xdrTqcnguX3ky8AA

> installed 2015-2016 based on satellite imagery Unless the artist practiced very good OpSec or was so disciplined that he never checked for satellite imagery of his monument, someone with the right credentials -- like the government with a subpeona or a Google insider -- could identify the artist based on his IP address. Murderers have been identified and convicted by looking up a unique map coordinate on Google Map…

That's how they found the boyfriend of Olivia Newton-John, who had faked his own death. He was the most frequent visitor to the website set up to help find him(that's literally true - the website was a trap they had hoped he would visit)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_McDermott

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by starpilot »

angst_ridden wrote: post #374
nitrogen wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least some of it was filmed by Lake Powell, closer to the southwest corner of Utah. It was really weird to see a bunch of troops coming ashore where I was hanging out on the beach a year earlier, against a very recognizable backdrop. Definitely broke the suspension of disbelief.

Try living in Los Angeles. Every other movie has some local detail pretending to be somewhere else. And if you're ever going up the highway east of the Sierra Nevada, be sure to stop in at Lone Pine's film history museum. The Alabama Hills just west of town have been stand-ins for every western state, as well as Mars, Afghanistan, the entire Middle East ... It's disconcerting to be watching a movie and seeing known l…

Hence this map: https://www.themarysue.com/how-hollywood-fakes-location-map/
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