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Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

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Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

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Post by rewtraw »

_2d30 wrote: post #60
neilpanchal wrote: post #4

I just got one. I’m blown away by the speed as well. Chrome runs insanely fast! Alas, it’s not developer ready yet. Brew is a mess. Docker doesn’t work. PyCharm is WIP although can use x86 version. I was skeptical of the hype but this little laptop has made me realize how slow everything else is. Unfortunately, while the hardware has accelerated far beyond expectations, the software - specifically MacOS BigSur is a m…

Brew is only slightly a mess, in my experience. I've installed brew both in the historical /usr/local location as well as the future home of /opt/homebrew. I then created these two aliases: alias armbrew="/opt/homebrew/bin/brew" alias intbrew="arch -x86_64 /usr/local/bin/brew" My PATH selects for programs installed in the /opt/homebrew location first and then /usr/local. I try to install with the ARM version first wi…

Running iTerm/Terminal in Rosetta allows it to work without issue, it's the best solution until more packages work natively under ARM.

Duplicate iTerm.app, right click & "Get Info", check "Open in Rosetta". Now install homebrew how you would on an Intel Mac and everything will work.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

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Post by nbzso »

grishka wrote: post #142
nbzso wrote: post #77

Those of us who are long enough in UI design know what is a result of attention to detail and professional GUI. We have all used Os X not only for UNIX like core (Darwin) but for consistent UX and UI libraries. In some point in time Apple was influencing our work in really meaningful way by setting the standard (remember Apple Human Interface Guidelines pre Yosemite). For me personally Soundtrack Pro is most polished…

It's all mostly redesign for the sake for redesign at this point. Desktop OSes had been feature-complete for quite some time, but they still have to update every year. They have to. Don't you even dare question that. I'm still on Mojave and it does everything I need from an OS. I also absolutely love native Mac apps, which are becoming rarer and rarer. And no, iOS apps that run on macOS aren't native mac apps. The ab…

Just a thought: If someone in 2008 asked me -What desktop interfaces will be used in 2020? My answer may have been: Apple will implement a new Desktop paradigm on top of Raskin Zoomable UI Ideas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jef_Raskin). But here we are: Monster SOC with Cartoon Network on top. :)

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

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Post by jml7c5 »

blihp wrote: post #155
darren_ wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote doesn’t really cover why M1 macs are more efficient with less ram than intel macs? You’ve got a memory budget, it’s likely broadly the same on both platforms, the speed at which your retains/releases happen isn’t going to be the issue. it’s not like intel macs use GC where m1 uses RC. (It explains why iOS does better with less ram than android, but the quote is specifically claiming this as a reason for 8G…

It's a contributing factor. If things like retain/release are fast and you have significantly more memory bandwidth and low latency to throw at the problem, you can get away without preloading and caching nearly as much. Take something simple like images on web pages: don't bother keeping hundreds (thousands?) of decompressed images in memory for all of the various open tabs. You can just decompress them on the fly a…

Decompression is generally bound by CPU speed, not memory bandwidth or latency.

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Post by BillinghamJ »

raphaelj wrote: post #89
jdminhbg wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones and iPads also have relatively small amounts of RAM compared to Android devices in the same class, so I wonder if Apple is doing something smart with offloading memory to fast SSD storage in a way that isn't noticeable to the user.

This is most probably more linked to Java/Kotlin vs Objective-C/Swift. Want an array of 1000 objects in Java ? You'll endup with 1001 allocations and 1000 pointers.

Pretty sure you'll end up with exactly the same in an NSArray? ObjC is excellent but it's not doing anything fundamentally magic there

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Post by jolux »

nbzso wrote: post #77

Those of us who are long enough in UI design know what is a result of attention to detail and professional GUI. We have all used Os X not only for UNIX like core (Darwin) but for consistent UX and UI libraries. In some point in time Apple was influencing our work in really meaningful way by setting the standard (remember Apple Human Interface Guidelines pre Yosemite). For me personally Soundtrack Pro is most polished…

Oh hey another emacs user!

You can turn off all the telemetry in macOS and they ask you if you want it on when you setup the computer.

Agree to disagree on Big Sur, I love the new look. Keep in mind they’re calling it macOS 11, so there are probably bigger and less superficial changes down the road.

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

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Post by nerdponx »

goatinaboat wrote: post #19
neilpanchal wrote: post #4

I just got one. I’m blown away by the speed as well. Chrome runs insanely fast! Alas, it’s not developer ready yet. Brew is a mess. Docker doesn’t work. PyCharm is WIP although can use x86 version. I was skeptical of the hype but this little laptop has made me realize how slow everything else is. Unfortunately, while the hardware has accelerated far beyond expectations, the software - specifically MacOS BigSur is a m…

It’s not fashion. Unfortunately you are wrong. Everything we call tech is in fact driven by fashion. My older version Mac is badgering me to upgrade to Bug Sur. Top feature: 100 new emojis. That is what Apple prioritised. Why the hell are emojis even part of the OS let alone its top feature! Truth is GUIs are done, were a decade or more ago. All there is left now is change for the sake of change. And Apple can’t thin…

Emoji is part of font support, and Apple takes that stuff seriously. It would be embarrassing for them if messages sent from iOS didn't show up properly in the Messages app.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

neilpanchal wrote: post #4

I just got one. I’m blown away by the speed as well. Chrome runs insanely fast! Alas, it’s not developer ready yet. Brew is a mess. Docker doesn’t work. PyCharm is WIP although can use x86 version. I was skeptical of the hype but this little laptop has made me realize how slow everything else is. Unfortunately, while the hardware has accelerated far beyond expectations, the software - specifically MacOS BigSur is a m…

> Stop changing the UI like you’re working at Hermès. It’s not fashion.

Of course it is. Our phones are intimately close to us. Physically, cognitively, socially and even emotionally. They may be the most widely-owned intimately-connected object humans have ever invented outside religion.

Our computers don't occupy as close of a niche. But they're in a similar space.

I agree with your observation that the new OS feels like molasses. I wish they went for a "snappy" feel. (Though keyboard shortcuts get around that.) But ignoring that Macs and iPhones are objects of fashion as well as computing devices misses a deep part of what Jobs saw that technologists missed.

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Post by azangru »

eulers_secret wrote: post #110
azangru wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another linux guy here, on the market for a new linux laptop. After reading the article, which linux-compatible laptops, would you say, come the closest to compete with the new generation of Apple products? Long battery life, plenty of power, good screen, good speakers? Is it the inevitable Dell XPS 13 and Thinkpad X1 Carbon, or are there any other darlings among the linux community?

Tiger Lake matches M1 in single-core perf, but gets trounced in multi. AMD has some good options, but I haven't seen a thin&light style AMD based laptop come out yet. Check out System76, their Linux support is unparalleled. The lemur pro is interesting. I don't know if you'll find the specs for the screen/speakers, though. I got the XPS 13, myself, but it still requires 'tweaks' - like running thermald master so your…

> The lemur pro is interesting. I don't know if you'll find the specs for the screen/speakers, though.

I've seen a youtube review demonstrating that its speakers are abysmal [0, around 7:30 minutes in]. I have a feeling that this is the quality that is to be expected of Clevo laptops :-(

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v6u1CbQ574

Re: Apple Silicon M1: Black Magic Fuckery

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Post by BillinghamJ »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #96
jonny_eh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that companies shouldn't make, and consumers buy, faster hardware?

The consumers buy part, yes, if the only reason they need it is because software has become stupidly inefficient. All of this e-waste is not good for the planet, and manufacturing is a significant contributor to global warming. If consumers are replacing their computers to do things they couldn't do ten years ago, then great, that's a good use of resources! If consumers are replacing their computers because today's I…

Thinking of speed in terms of processing capacity consumption, 10x would be unbelievably generous. It's realistically a LOT closer to 1000x
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