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Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by s1artibartfast »

cybralx wrote: post #76
matt-attack wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too late it's been found [1]. [1] https://www.google.com/maps/place/38°20'35.2%22N+109°39'58.5...

The point still stands, it shouldn't be allowed. It's a natural area for animals and it is a dangerous location. Those well trained/equipped who would normally explore areas like this would be fine -- but this could encourage people with less experience to venture into these areas unprepared for what they will face. That terrain in Utah is no joke and many people have gone missing in those areas.

It’s not a natural location for animals. It is federally managed land for camping, hunting, and 4 wheeling.

Inexperienced people die venturing into nature all the time. The solution is to warn and educate people, not discourage them from enjoying the outdoors.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

wmil wrote: post #303
mholt wrote: post #296

(deleting, because now my comment is getting pasted all over the Internet, and though it was not to my knowledge misleading, it didn't actually provide any useful information)

> And the sister of the brother who died there is asking for people to delete the post and to please not go there. That's an unreasonable request without an explanation.

Even with the explanation it’s an unreasonable request, because the public owns that land.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by Geminidog »

function_seven wrote: post #43
jamestimmins wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it need to be removed? I understand not wanting to set a precedent, but I wish more organizations adopted a mindset that the original can stay, but no others are allowed. That leaves space for a little bit of whimsy.

Just thinking the same thing. There's no rule the you must clamp down the the first instance of a violation. Leave it be, and leave the rule in place. If there's an epidemic of monoliths being planted on federal land, then you uproot them all and say "this is why we can't have nice things." Until or unless that happens, just leave it alone.

There is a rule for the first instance of the violation. The law applies to all instances of the violation, first, last and everything in between.

The thing is the reason why a lot of people are ok with this art thing is because it's not just the first instance of it, but because it's currently quite interesting and tasteful. These are vague qualitative aspects that are hard to define with law and will change over time.

Better to have a simple law everyone can understand and agree on then to find some perfect law that fits with our complicated, blurry and inconsistent definition of morality. The more complicated a set of laws are the more likely people will be able to find loop holes to exploit.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by s1artibartfast »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #95
renewiltord wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'd prefer" isn't logic either so clearly we're in the realm of what we each find comfortable.

Well, as others have said, it was illegal. "I'd prefer" includes "I see no good reason to make this an exception to the law".

There is also a legal process to allow it to stay, so the law isn’t really an issue. It is more of a question what the people want

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #361
cybralx wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point still stands, it shouldn't be allowed. It's a natural area for animals and it is a dangerous location. Those well trained/equipped who would normally explore areas like this would be fine -- but this could encourage people with less experience to venture into these areas unprepared for what they will face. That terrain in Utah is no joke and many people have gone missing in those areas.

It’s not a natural location for animals. It is federally managed land for camping, hunting, and 4 wheeling. Inexperienced people die venturing into nature all the time. The solution is to warn and educate people, not discourage them from enjoying the outdoors.

Its a big place, and only a few busy Rangers. I imagine folks can just drive in unnoticed. And die of exhaustion or dehydration once they've had a breakdown, lost their way, run out of gas or whatever. Where in that process do we have an opportunity for education? Other than the Darwin sort.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by sschueller »

fbn79 wrote: post #158
MrSourz wrote: post #41

A reddit user [1] found its location [2] and another figured out it was installed sometime during 2015-2016 based on when the satellite imagery changed. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/k01dc3/mysterious_m... [2] https://goo.gl/maps/2xdrTqcnguX3ky8AA

Not a follower of the show but I see on IMDB that WestWorld was filmed near that location in 2016. Maybe something left off during filming?

Maybe someone or a specific studio didn't pay the bill to remove it.

Re: Metal monolith found by helicopter crew in Utah desert

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Post by sschueller »

lima wrote: post #223
cantrevealname wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> installed 2015-2016 based on satellite imagery Unless the artist practiced very good OpSec or was so disciplined that he never checked for satellite imagery of his monument, someone with the right credentials -- like the government with a subpeona or a Google insider -- could identify the artist based on his IP address. Murderers have been identified and convicted by looking up a unique map coordinate on Google Map…

Google is very unlikely to keep logs for so long.

I thought the US government decided it would be easier to pay tech giants to keep data longer than collecting it itself and storing it. That way they can just ask for it when they need it.
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