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Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by yorwba » Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 7:01 PM UTC

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #139

yorwba wrote: post #61

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> Would anyone in rural China tell a government surveyor they were dissatisfied with their government-supplied job? I doubt it. Of course they would if they can. Those are two different governments: the government-supplied job is supplied by the local government, while the surveyor is sent by the provincial or central government. Complaining to them about the local government is an opportunity to have the central gov…

With respect, I don't think you've ever lived under a remotely totalitarian government. Complaints are typically viewed by default as unpatriotic, obstructionist borderline sabotage, and only a fool would make one.

Then what's your take on the article I linked?

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by ga6840 » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:06 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #131

ga6840 wrote: post #95

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So far, I live most of the life in China, IMHO, the root of our previous poverty is arrogance and one man in power (see Mao's policy which had led nation wide famine just because he want to surpass US in a short time), and that left us fall behind the world economically. And the latter so-called "lifted out of poverty" (a oftenly used propaganda tune in Chinese spokesmen to refute others' human rights infringement bl…

>And the latter so-called "lifted out of poverty" (a oftenly used propaganda tune in Chinese spokesmen to refute others' human rights infringement blame) is nothing but opening up the nation and letting our hardworking people to make products for the wo if that was the case there'd be fewer poor countries on the planet. The Chinese government has made many mistakes, a lot of them quite terrible, but a lot of progress…

Not quite difficult, enslave them, intimidate and threaten their social security, will make any spice not lazy.

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by ga6840 » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:18 AM UTC

powerapple wrote: post #123

hkmaxpro wrote: post #117

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> India and China were roughly equal in population and GDP if you go back in time before the start of the British empire Any source for your claims? The truth: India population in 1800: 169 million [0] China population in 1800: 322 million (nearly double India’s) As for GDP: China’s GDP (PPP) per capita in 1800: $316K [1] India’s GDP (PPP) per capita in 1800: $177K Note this is per capita. Factoring in the population…

You don't need to look at 1800 data, because it is irrelevant. If you want to show what CCP did, you have to show the data in range. [2] is the chart comparing India to China from 1950 - 2010, which is the period when CCP is in power. I wish economy, society and history is so easy and everyone can nail down to a single sentence on the root of any economy phenomena. I love how he describe being poor was because of arr…

Mao wants to surpass United Kingdom in 15 years and then US. Given China's condition at that time, if that is not arrogance, then it must be at least overestimation of his power.

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by coupdejarnac » Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 12:43 PM UTC

jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

I've lived in China too, and you've definitely drunk the koolaid.

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by auganov » Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 1:35 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #112

auganov wrote: post #101

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In general I agree, it's pretty unlikely that China is anywhere in the top 10 per capita, but there's still a lot of room for a cover up. It could very well be that China chose to sweep it under the rug and has many more people dying than reported. But the number could still be perfectly average, which is not that much. And perhaps below since most of SE Asia seems to be doing very well regardless of policy. China co…

> Not hard to cover up at all by simply not admitting people and/or providing sub-optimal care (in which case you'd have much more effective capacity). That would create a lot of angry people who'll complain that the ward is overwhelmed, which would be counterproductive if the goal is to hide a huge case load while claiming zero local infections.

China is claiming 4,634 coronavirus deaths total in a population of 1.4 billion. Multiples of that are hardly a lot of people in such a vast country. Like with most healthcare systems anywhere in the world and especially in a $10k per capita country with a government-run system, care is already suboptimal, lines are long and people aren't too happy.

You don't need to tell anybody the coronavirus ward is full, they're not.

You make it hard to even get to a doctor, if they do you just send them home with a prescription. This illness progresses very fast. Many will simply die at home (which already happens everywhere, it would just happen in China at a much higher rate).

Those that call in an emergency you treat in a very suboptimal manner (untrained personnel, inadequate equipment etc) which gives you much more capacity. The reason wards are full in Western countries is higher standards and more regulation.

And again, none of what I have described is unprecedented or requires too much coordination. It's basically how the Chinese healthcare system already functions. By not doing much about the coronavirus and not giving local cases any press coverage, 90% of the "cover-up" is complete.

The only remotely conspiratorial part is not properly coding deaths as COVID. But then again, we already see large discrepancies in how countries code deaths for perfectly legitimate reasons.