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Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by legolas2412 »

howlgarnish wrote: post #44
t_minus_3 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

movers-n-packers/goods shipping company is a front end to a sophisticated intelligence gathering &e spionage program of china. Just like how HUAWEI is threat to US. Nobody is dying by banning bunch of games, chill !!

I last used Lalamove to ship some furniture home from IKEA. I'm not entirely sure what the CCP wants to do with this information, but they're welcome to have it.

One, i for one would not welcome having an ethno-centric authoritarian state spying on me. I certainly wouldn't be happy if say the Nazis Germany or the stasi were spying in india. Your response is very similar to "I've got nothing to hide" argument for government spying.

Second, just because lalamove didn't do anything ontoward for you, doesn't mean that chinese companies don't spy on anyone. Maybe you should look at the rich history of china's industrial espionage, or how US and Soviet Russia spied on each other during the cold war.

Third, this is part of a economic and trade war against china. Maybe you should read about how an authoritarian state works, and how subjugated people get treated by oppressors. Go look at tibet, taiwan, Hong Kong, uyghur, ww2 poland etc etc.

I'll add a final point. I have found most such arguments made by people who hate the current indian government, which is indeed a bad one. But people are so hell bent on opposing the government that they even speak positives of entities that are against india, like china. Food for thought for you, what would your reaction be if it was the indian government doing similar things of industrial espionage, economic war, and spying. Would you say that modi was welcome to see that you ordered furniture from ikea?

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by indie_india_dev »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #4

I wonder how long it will be until every country just has its own segregated internet. Will it happen on its own for economic reasons or will it take a real war that involves massive hacking attacks from both sides?

This move is to counter Chinese apps which pump user data and other sensitive information to their government.

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by musingsole »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #58
cambalache wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a bad analogy. What is with programmers and their utter failure to understand an analogy, is it their literal mind? Is it the lack of socialization when growing up?. "Data is the new oil" just means that it is an important economical and political asset, that's it that's the extend of the analogy.Nobody is thinking about API degrees, viscosity, sulfur content, etc. For the purpose intended the analogy works…

> What is with programmers and their utter failure to understand an analogy, is it their literal mind? Is it the lack of socialization when growing up?. "Data is the new oil" just means that it is an important economical and political asset, that's it “Data is the new oil” is used by Reliance, an oil company. It may be you who isn’t thinking deeply enough. The analogy is bad because oil has a specific geopolitical hi…

...the manner in which data have been handled by those who harvest it doesn't resonate with the history of the oil industry? If anything, the analogy is even more apt as the powers behind it are just as corrupt.

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by nomoreusernames »

abhigupta wrote: post #7

Just for background: These actions are targeted against Chinese companies, in the continued battle by Indian government to fight against recent land grab near Himalayas by Chinese Army and long term economic war e.g., New Silk Road, Trade Deficit etc.

also india has one of the worlds largest muslim populations, and india is also the most populous democracy in the world.

most people forget that india has been one of the most vocal countries regarding the persecution of the chinese muslim population. more so than for example turkey, pakistan, saudi, even US and EU has not said much about the muslims being put into concentration camps.

i would say blocking apps and starting sanctions would be the logical steps to take. much better than waging war i would say.

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by nomoreusernames »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #4

I wonder how long it will be until every country just has its own segregated internet. Will it happen on its own for economic reasons or will it take a real war that involves massive hacking attacks from both sides?

i wonder how long it will take until humanity dies out due to our stupidity. i think the chances for that are much larger than the chances for a segregated internet. i mean worst case we can setup our own internet. all you need is somebody with a lot of money and also willing to create a fully transparent system. imagine not even needing top domains. thatwouldbeamazing.

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Post by ryandrake »

cambalache wrote: post #54
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Data is the new oil This is a bad analogy. Oil is a commodity. Data are not. Oil is extractive. You can fly in tech and talent, pump oil, keep the rulers happy and not concern yourself with the local population. You can’t do that with data—its value, for advertising and influencing, is linked to the population’s productivity and power. Finally, data are ephemeral in a way oil isn’t. You can’t barrel up bytes in the…

> This is a bad analogy. What is with programmers and their utter failure to understand an analogy, is it their literal mind? Is it the lack of socialization when growing up?. "Data is the new oil" just means that it is an important economical and political asset, that's it that's the extend of the analogy.Nobody is thinking about API degrees, viscosity, sulfur content, etc. For the purpose intended the analogy works…

It’s such a common HN trope now, I’ve stopped even noticing it unless I’m looking fit it:

User 1: A is like B

User 2: Wrong! Here is a very detailed description of why A is not literally and exactly B, therefore A is not like B.

You can find this pattern over and over in the comments section. If you ever want to generate a giant tree of pedantic, nitpicky responses here, simply post a car analogy, and let the programmers do the rest of the writing.

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by Ericson2314 »

nomoreusernames wrote: post #64
abhigupta wrote: post #7

Just for background: These actions are targeted against Chinese companies, in the continued battle by Indian government to fight against recent land grab near Himalayas by Chinese Army and long term economic war e.g., New Silk Road, Trade Deficit etc.

also india has one of the worlds largest muslim populations, and india is also the most populous democracy in the world. most people forget that india has been one of the most vocal countries regarding the persecution of the chinese muslim population. more so than for example turkey, pakistan, saudi, even US and EU has not said much about the muslims being put into concentration camps. i would say blocking apps and s…

So you are saying the current Indian goverment cares more about the wellbeing of Muslims in Xinjiang than Muslims in India?

(I don't want to diminish the awful things going on in Xinjiang, but I think giving the rest of what Modi does this would be more cynically down by the Indian government than you make it out to be.)

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Post by nomoreusernames »

indie_india_dev wrote: post #62
thatguy0900 wrote: post #4

I wonder how long it will be until every country just has its own segregated internet. Will it happen on its own for economic reasons or will it take a real war that involves massive hacking attacks from both sides?

This move is to counter Chinese apps which pump user data and other sensitive information to their government.

india has a lot of muslims, and muslims are not happy with the ummah being put into concentration camps. seems logical that a country with one of the largest muslim populations in the world, in the largest democracy in the world would start protesting against china.

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by ericjang »

AntiImperialist wrote: post #47
t_minus_3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It all started with great firewall of china, didn't it ? The segregation of internet for political purposes has been there for number of years. (aka. china blocks FB,Google and wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma... ). rest of the world is catching up to their playbook

Agree! In these games, you only need one player who plays foul and the rules have to be changed for everyone. Having said that, The Great Firewall is the best thing CCP has done to protect itself, by a long shot. Had it not done so, China would be, at best, full of riots and uprisings and protests everywhere as foreign interests mobilized locals to act against the CCP using anti-CCP propaganda in their social media.

are you sure that would happen? Make no mistake, I get that Western powers do have cultural and economic agendas (McDonald republics and such). But if you look at Japan and South Korea, they didn't really have significant protests or any "installed leaders".

Re: Indian government blocks access to forty-three mobile apps

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Post by AntiImperialist »

ericjang wrote: post #69
AntiImperialist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree! In these games, you only need one player who plays foul and the rules have to be changed for everyone. Having said that, The Great Firewall is the best thing CCP has done to protect itself, by a long shot. Had it not done so, China would be, at best, full of riots and uprisings and protests everywhere as foreign interests mobilized locals to act against the CCP using anti-CCP propaganda in their social media.

are you sure that would happen? Make no mistake, I get that Western powers do have cultural and economic agendas (McDonald republics and such). But if you look at Japan and South Korea, they didn't really have significant protests or any "installed leaders".

Japan has had installed leaders since the WWII. The occupying army is still there.

South Korea has had installed leaders since the Korean War.

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