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Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by agensaequivocum »

danaris wrote: post #844
agensaequivocum wrote: post #755

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually in 2019 firearm homicides per 100k AZ 2.93 CA 2.89 ID 0.90 ME 0.97 NH 1.18 VT 1.28 WY 1.56 Aside from CA, all the other state listed here have constitutional carry, and aside from VT magazine limit, no more strict than federal law. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

So, um...what are the statistics for Texas , which is the state being talked about? It's all very well to mention that other states have some firearm homicides each year, but if you don't provide Texas' stats to compare to, it's not especially germane to the topic at hand...

TX 3.67

The reason I pointed out the other states was to show that the looser gun laws of Texas is not necessarily the cause of higher firearm homicide rate. The other states have looser firearm laws than Texas (not in all respects).

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Some other states

CT 1.823

DC 19.27

IL 5.11

MA 1.25

MD 7.61

NY 1.53

RI 0.94

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by PIKAL »

ip26 wrote: post #684
Reelin wrote: post #670

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Unless your state is open carry you do in fact need a permit to carry in public. In fact, some open carry states (ex Texas) still require a permit to do so. I'm always frustrated but amused at how uninformed many of my fellow Americans are about the gun laws here (frequently it's the ones pushing for additional laws).

Ok, you appear to be right about California. In my defense, I live elsewhere. One of the minor pitfalls of Federalism- I can't keep track of the laws in all 50 states.

Gun activists have been waiting for a Supreme Court majority that actually does its job. I would expect people’s 2nd amendment rights to be restored in CA soon.

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Post by ashtonkem »

baby wrote: post #660
floren wrote: post #627

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I live in New Mexico where I could get a CCW permit essentially guaranteed if I spent $100 on a weekend course. I don't have one, because I don't really feel a need for one--but I could get one if I wanted, just like anyone else in the state. I find it abhorrent that in California, you can only get a permit if you're well-connected: see Dianne Feinstein being the only CCW-holder in San Francisco for years while simul…

I mean that's why I don't live in New Mexico

Reasonable people can disagree about guns and CCW, but you’re crossing the line to just insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

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Post by wl »

zaroth wrote: post #841
wl wrote: post #411

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It's not illegal to carry a firearm loaded and exposed in California if you have the proper license issued by BSIS, which is separate from a CCW.

That license is only applicable in specific circumstances, e.g. like for uniformed security guards.

Which solves the problem of needing armed guards.

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Post by scottlocklin »

baby wrote: post #586
normand1 wrote: post #511

I've lived in the Bay Area most of my life. It's well known the only way to get CCW permits in the Bay Area is to "donate" to the local county sheriff. I'm surprised someone was actually caught. I moved to Washington and got my concealed carry in a few months after filling out paperwork. No "donations" required.

I'd assume individuals who want a permit vs campus with concentrated amounts of high-net-worth individuals is a different problem. I can't fathom why anyone would want to live in a place where they themselves need a CCW permit to feel safe.

Appropriate handle. Some people live in the woods. Some people are head of security for large corporations that run into all manner of physical threats, potential kidnappings or literal geopolitical adversaries (head of security at apple; probably needs to carry a pistol more than the average cop). Some people are former police or some other kind of sheepdog. Some people have crazy exes who might kill them.

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Post by joncrane »

throwawaygh wrote: post #394
wl wrote: post #274

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> A high-level exec at one of the world's most powerful companies paying off a local LEO for a permit instead of, IDK, contacting the State or the Feds, is beyond inexplicable. The State or the Feds don't issue CCWs in California. Chief local law enforcement officers only, which means sheriffs and police chiefs.

>> A high-level exec at one of the world's most powerful companies paying off a local LEO for a permit instead of, IDK, contacting the State or the Feds, is beyond inexplicable. > The State or the Feds don't issue CCWs in California. Chief local law enforcement officers only, which means sheriffs and police chiefs. No, but they do investigate other LEO agencies for corruption. See: the article.

Right, and how long is that investigation going to take.

Meanwhile Apple is short dozens of security guards to have a full detail necessary to protect the lives and wellbeing of the highest ranking executives in the country.

The head of security at Apple is charged with protecting the lives and wellbeing of the top execs.

He performed exactly as the incentive structure recommends.

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Post by tesmar2 »

antpls wrote: post #762
tesmar2 wrote: post #571

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Tell that to the poor souls at Charlie Hebdo.

Homicide rates are publicly available per country by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. The homicide rate for USA is 5 per 100 000 hab in 2018. For France, it is 1.2 You are 3 times more likely to die in USA than in France from an homicide

Once again, tell that to those poor souls.

Even if I believed your numbers, this does not take away your right to self defense from a robber or tyrant.

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Post by jaywalk »

rtpg wrote: post #727
Zhenya wrote: post #612

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How exactly? IMHO, sf would be a lot safer if the criminals would have at least the concept that someone could respond to their violence with equal violence. Today, aside from the slim chance of being caught by an unengaged police force, the cost is zero.

Isn’t it basically property damage? Whose car is so valuable that they should be allowed to shoot someone for breaking into it? Maybe there’s some deeper statistics or like a bunch of violent crime that I’m unaware of but my wallet ain’t worth the thief getting shot.

>my wallet ain’t worth the thief getting shot.

Well, mine is. And I'm glad that we both get to decide that for ourselves.

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Post by electriclove »

fastball wrote: post #478
dehrmann wrote: post #447

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Half of the joke was probably the Cupertino city council being jealous of Google providing free wifi for Mountain View. Jobs has a good point about "paying taxes." In the last few years, a lot of people in the Bay Area outside tech are saying things like "why doesn't tech do more to build more housing." They pay taxes, and tech workers living in the cities are paying income and property taxes. The communities should…

You don't even need tax dollars to build more housing, all you need is not NIMBYism. Unfortunately the Bay Area has that in spades.

It exists everywhere
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