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MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

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Re: MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

#41
This is amazing! I had a question about this passage however:

>" MyNOR is a single board computer that does not have a CPU. Instead, the CPU consists of discrete logic gates from the 74HC series ..."

Isn't that still a CPU just not a integrated chip or microprocessor? Isn't a board with discrete logic gates basically how mainframes and minicomputers such as PDP-11 etc were built before the advent of the "microprocessor"?

Re: MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

#42

It is possible to build a CPU without a single gate: http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/inst/ag-ki/rojas_home/documents/...

That uses a NAND gate in a similar fashion as the MyNOR

No, look at the conclusion, there is no more gate for the ALU.

Re: MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

#43
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that you use registers and apply the NOR gate multiple times. In this sense the NOR gate is universal, while an OR gate nor a XOR gate are neither universal. I.e. XOR(x,y) = NOR(0, NOR(NOR(x,y), NOR(NOR(x,0),NOR(y,0))))) (maybe not the most minimal version and maybe even wrong)

Fun logic tongue twister: Neither an or gate nor an xor gate are universal

Any expression or series of gates of only ORs has the non-decreasing property, changing an input from 0 to 1 can never change the result from 1 to 0. So you can't implement any gate that needs that using ORs.

Similarly, any collection of XOR gates is simply a summation mod 2.

Re: MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

#48

I love how the NOR gate is made visibly of two transistors.

Makes it pretty hard to hide an Internet backdoor in it.

Seriously, I wonder if this is a way to make a secure and open computer, by implementing the deepest level of security functionality in slow but visibly trust-able hardware.

Re: MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

#49

I love how the NOR gate is made visibly of two transistors.

Makes it pretty hard to hide an Internet backdoor in it. Seriously, I wonder if this is a way to make a secure and open computer, by implementing the deepest level of security functionality in slow but visibly trust-able hardware.

While simplicity of design can engender trust, in this case it's the stuff around it that still needs complexity.

Besides, people have already demonstrated single-gate backdoors that don't show up in most IC die photos.

Re: MyNOR: Single board computer that uses a single NOR gate as its ALU

#50

I love how the NOR gate is made visibly of two transistors.

Makes it pretty hard to hide an Internet backdoor in it. Seriously, I wonder if this is a way to make a secure and open computer, by implementing the deepest level of security functionality in slow but visibly trust-able hardware.

Yes, in theory, but only until nanotech becomes a thing (if ever.)
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