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Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by arvinsim »

mrtksn wrote: post #270
ls65536 wrote: post #169

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> many Android fans has an unhealthy obsession with Apple bordering on mental disorder I've also found many Apple fans have an unhealthy obsession with Apple bordering on mental disorder, but my anecdote is about as pointless as yours here. There are also plenty of people in both "camps" who just want a device to go about their business and, as is their choice, don't care much beyond "what costs less" (however they m…

Apple fans tend to be fanboys, Android fans tend to be hateboys too. I find the hate part to be very unhealthy. Seriously annoying people, they wouldn't just defend their camp, they would just be evangelists of Andoroid, they are also on a quest to bring down anything else. They even branch between themselves and have fractions of purists, Samsungers, xiaomiens ands so on and they will constantly try to bring down ea…

This is patently false. Apple fanboys also go to great lengths to demean users of other platforms.

Case in point: Your labeling of users of other platforms.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

vagrantJin wrote: post #247
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #64

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There is a cost to that though, the reality is Windows has become rather bloated because MS can't let anything go. It doesn't help that they have never been able to say no to anything and everything getting included.

> ..rather bloated because MS can't let anything go. Ah. This comment seems off the cuff and not well thought out. I think you may be underestimating the scope and scale at which Windows OS operates[0]. Outside of cool techie agencies and SV type companies, the default OS for any organization from churches to charities to governments to schools, the world over, is Windows. MacOS may be sleek and shiny apex predator b…

Ah. This comment seems off the cuff and not well thought out.

I know how pervasive Windows is, I've made my living writing software for it for the last twenty five years. That is why I know that it is a bloated and over complicated mess.

The reality for most corporates is the only software they want on their desktops is Office and a web browser. This has been the case for a long time. There are laggards of course but taking too much notice of them has crippled the system.

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Post by coldtea »

appleflaxen wrote: post #293
coldtea wrote: post #113

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> The Ben Franklin quote that "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." seems particularly apt, here. On the other hand, I'm a European, could not care less for Ben Franklin (or the Founding Fathers for that matter), and don't consider them some great sages of the centuries. Nor is their word gospel. I say that because I see such supposed "…

I wasn't making any assumptions about your nationality; it seems irrelevant regarding the truth or falsity of an idea. Like different countries responding to COVID: truth doesn't really care how special the US/Sweden/Japan/wherever thinks they are. I read your link but I don't understand the point that the Brookings institution is trying to make about the context of the quote. I'm open minded, but miss the point they…

>I wasn't making any assumptions about your nationality; it seems irrelevant regarding the truth or falsity of an idea.

Yes, but it's not irrelevant regarding to the propensity of certain nationals to consider some ideas true (or "consider them to be self-evident" - see what I did here?), and to put them forward at any opportunity.

>Nevertheless: quotes are nice because they distill an idea down to an elemental form. They might be wise or they might be dumb, but the simple idea expressed in the phrase (regardless of who uttered it, or what they meant at the time) seems wise to me as we consider the tradeoffs between a walled garden vis-a-vis privacy.

Well, the idea is: never trade essential liberties for temporary safety, you'll lose both.

To which I answer: safety is always temporary, what's an "essential libery" is debatable, and we must voluntarily (and ocassionally involuntarily) give up essential liberties all the time to get the temporary safety and other goodies afforded by society.

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Post by coldtea »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #315
coldtea wrote: post #150

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> This is a big false dichotomy. No, it's an actual distinction. > It's difficult to find an aspect of modern society that is not influenced by a complex combination of social, ethical and legal norms plus science, technology, economy, education and so on. And all of them are influenced by politics.

Please learn the meaning of "false dichotomy".

Please don't be rude.

Or, to answer at the same level, learn the difference between

(a) when action at two fronts is legitimate

vs:

(b) when there's an essential front where action must be focused at, and a distraction/band-aid/irrelevant secondary target that doesn't really settle anything.

Not all dichotomies are false dichotomies. Sometimes you really should not spend effort at one level/battleground, but on another.

The fact that you can spend effort at both is irrelevant -- and spending effort at both can still be detrimental to your cause.

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Post by romanoderoma »

romanoderoma wrote: post #319
snazz wrote: post #316

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Apple is made up of hundreds of thousands of employees. Their goal is to make money, not be "good" or "bad". Their individual decisions might be better or worse for certain groups of people, but Apple as a whole isn't really an entity that you can make a value judgement about.

> Apple is made up of hundreds of thousands of employees And they can still be bad I could be fooled by your words when I was kid, unfortunately for me I'm too old to be fooled by rhetoric and propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Philip_Morris > Their individual decisions might be better or worse for certain groups of people And those can be criminal decisions. More often than not, multi trillio…

On the front page today (2020-11-24)

"Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case"

Coincidence?

Probably not

https://morganhilltimes.com/apples-head-of-security-indicted...

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Post by sneak »

pjmlp wrote: post #329
sneak wrote: post #286

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I think the answer to this is painfully clear: because no one makes hardware anywhere near close to the quality of mac and iphone hardware in those verticals. We'd like to use the best available software, running on the best available hardware. Criticizing Apple's software censorship choices is thus the natural logical target. Otherwise, we have to use things like the PinePhone for the next 10-15 years until someone…

Alternatively one could contribute to making the competing hardware just as good.

Do you have any suggestions as to how? I am not in the phone business.

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Post by pjmlp »

sneak wrote: post #356
pjmlp wrote: post #329

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Alternatively one could contribute to making the competing hardware just as good.

Do you have any suggestions as to how? I am not in the phone business.

By buying phones from the likes of Jolla and Purism.

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Post by sneak »

pjmlp wrote: post #357
sneak wrote: post #356

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Do you have any suggestions as to how? I am not in the phone business.

By buying phones from the likes of Jolla and Purism.

I'm not sure how buying products not remotely as good has any effect whatsoever on making anything "just as good".

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Post by EgoIncarnate »

my123 wrote: post #100
Someone wrote: post #78

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From that page: “Review the following security options: Full Security: Ensures that only your current OS, or signed operating system software currently trusted by Apple, can run. This mode requires a network connection at software installation time. Reduced Security: Allows any version of signed operating system software ever trusted by Apple to run.” ⇒ it appears ‘other’ still requires OSes signed by Apple, but it a…

See this "option only appears when you run csrutil disable", which is the one that you need for third-party OSes, and doesn't impose any requirements on the OS that you boot.

Looks like they removed "Permissive Security" mode from the support document in an update. You can still find it in https://web.archive.org/web/20201117164532/https://support.a.... Hope they don't remove this option in the firmware.

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Post by pjmlp »

sneak wrote: post #358
pjmlp wrote: post #357

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By buying phones from the likes of Jolla and Purism.

I'm not sure how buying products not remotely as good has any effect whatsoever on making anything "just as good".

By sponsoring the development of better phones.

First generation of iPhones also sucked versus what Symbian and Windows CE/Pocket PC phones were capable of.

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