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Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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> Sung—second in rank only to Sheriff Laurie Smith in the sheriff’s office—is accused of deliberately holding back four concealed carry weapons (CCW) permits for Apple’s security team until the Cupertino-based corporation agreed to donate 200 iPads worth about $75,000 to the Sheriff’s Office,

This is wrong on so many levels... why does Apple need CCW security personal ? how could Apple agree to pay bribery ? who is stupid enough to ask for bribery ?

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This is exactly right! When there's no clear set of criteria for a permit and people get denied for this or that or maybe no reason at all. Just try getting a (unrestricted) LTC in Boston, near impossible -- unless you "have friends". This is how LTCs (License To Carry) work in Massachusetts, it's city by city dependent on the Chief of Police. The criteria should be clear and contestable in court. Like it or not, it'…

I say this as a big proponent of the right to self defense on a personal level, the current legal view is that, gun possession in the public square is not a right, it is a privilege, one that can be revoked as seen fit by the government. What is a right, is to keep and bear arms, this means one can maintain possession of their arms without fear of confiscation on their personal property or property in which they have…

> gun possession in the public square is not a right, it is a privilege, one that can be revoked as seen fit by the government.

Right or privilege, it should not be conditioned by bribes. And when a LEO is involved in a bribery case their punishment should start at several times that of the other (non-authority) person because it seems like that right/privilege comes at the end of extortion.

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I say this as a big proponent of the right to self defense on a personal level, the current legal view is that, gun possession in the public square is not a right, it is a privilege, one that can be revoked as seen fit by the government. What is a right, is to keep and bear arms, this means one can maintain possession of their arms without fear of confiscation on their personal property or property in which they have…

> gun possession in the public square is not a right, it is a privilege, one that can be revoked as seen fit by the government. Right or privilege, it should not be conditioned by bribes. And when a LEO is involved in a bribery case their punishment should start at several times that of the other (non-authority) person because it seems like that right/privilege comes at the end of extortion.

No argument there, I am not a fan of may issue, just ban public carry for everyone in those states and let the chips fall, but the connected don't like it when their bodyguards can't carry guns. In essence it is a ban for only a certain class of people.

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If you live in a place where you need a concealed carry permit to feel safe, you probably should move to a safer place.

I live in New Mexico where I could get a CCW permit essentially guaranteed if I spent $100 on a weekend course. I don't have one, because I don't really feel a need for one--but I could get one if I wanted, just like anyone else in the state. I find it abhorrent that in California, you can only get a permit if you're well-connected: see Dianne Feinstein being the only CCW-holder in San Francisco for years while simul…

> Dianne Feinstein being the only CCW-holder in San Francisco for years while simultaneously pushing for stronger gun control.

Do you have a source that there were no other CCW holders in SF at that time?

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Would've been better if the first word wasn't Apple! He's a private citizen that did something on his own accord. That headline makes it sound as if Apple, the company, was somehow involved.

That certainly depends on whether he bought the 200 iPads personally, or if they were provided by Apple.

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Steve: I'm a simpleton I've always had this view that we pay taxes and the city should do those things. That's why we pay taxes. Now if we can get out of paying taxes I'll be glad to put up Wi-Fi.

Here's how you write a quote: > Steve: I'm a simpleton I've always had this view that we pay taxes and the city should do those things. That's why we pay taxes. Now if we can get out of paying taxes I'll be glad to put up Wi-Fi. reply

False - that's how you write it.

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> Everyone has the right to bear arms but what do we do when that infringes on other peoples right to life? I think it's a cogent question. Clearly the state has laws against murder. And California even has laws that "enhance" sentencing criteria for anyone guilty of using a firearm in the commission of a felony.[1] Also, "mass shootings" are also illegal and are incredibly rare. Also, I have a right to "property"/"p…

In what state won't you be prosecuted for murdering someone stealing your laptop?

Based on what is on the laptop possibly Texas, if the laptop had open access to your life savings or was your work laptop and one would lose a substantial sum given the loss of business from losing the laptop, or it held trade secrets then it may qualify as highly defensible property, in which case in Texas it would possibly not be prosecutable, but even those are long odds:

https://ccwsafe.com/blog/danger-texas-law-on-deadly-force-de...

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The state will protect you.

I wonder if the other poster had feelings about the police protests? That person aside... What a time for some people to hate guns and recommend how only the evil racist police should have them.

The wide availability of guns seems to be one of the major underlying reasons for the evil police. Taking them away wouldn't magically fix things, but it would help keep things from regressing after fixing the more direct problems
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