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Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by btilly »

giantg2 wrote: post #556
btilly wrote: post #509

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Local police have been noticeably resistant to rules allowing recording. A large fraction of the civil rights violations documented by Amnesty International against BLM protestors were exactly against people who were only recording what was going on. Therefore no matter how much you might be within the right, I would personally not be willing to record the police unless it was under the direction of another police fo…

Well, you do it without their knowledge of course. Cellphone in pocket for audio, etc. When dealing with corrupt people, secrecy is paramount.

And now they just claim that it wasn't them in the recording. The concealment doesn't exactly help audio quality.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by hedora »

User23 wrote: post #455
Alex3917 wrote: post #317

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> A high-level exec at one of the world's most powerful companies paying off a local LEO for a permit instead of, IDK, contacting the State or the Feds, is beyond inexplicable. The problem is that, at least in many jurisdictions, gun permits basically only exist as a means for police to solicit bribes. There's literally an entire industry of people whose job is bribing police departments to get gun permits. C.f.: htt…

I know an urban county in California where it's an open secret that one can greatly increase one's chance of having a carry permit approved by making the maximum allowed contribution to the sheriff's reelection campaign. This kind of reminds me of the UC admissions bribery scandal. There are legally approved ways to bribe schools and politicians, so if one is inclined to do so, at least follow them. But in both cases…

The frustrating thing in the US is that bribing the sherrif or the head of the university is legal, but bribing the low level paper stamper is illegal.

That provides huge incentives for the most corrupt to rise to control the institutions they’re supposedly policing.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by tshaddox »

rkt88edmo wrote: post #575
tesmar2 wrote: post #547

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Element of surprise.

And the public image nightmare in the liberal bay area of having all these guns in plain sight.

What? Bay Area banks and retail stores routinely have conspicuous security guards open carrying. Not to mention police, which also exist and are commonly seen in the Bay Area.

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Post by giantg2 »

btilly wrote: post #601
giantg2 wrote: post #556

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Well, you do it without their knowledge of course. Cellphone in pocket for audio, etc. When dealing with corrupt people, secrecy is paramount.

And now they just claim that it wasn't them in the recording. The concealment doesn't exactly help audio quality.

If we're going down that rabbit hole... then it's all tyranny and should be torn down and rebuilt to fit the rule of law.

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Post by kmonsen »

sandworm101 wrote: post #242
kmonsen wrote: post #229

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I think CA law will not let you have any loaded weapons transported without CCW. And loaded weapons is kind of needed to protect VIPs.

Then keep them unloaded. It takes less than a second for a pro to load a handgun. This isnt hollywood. Close protection details for large US corps virtually never fire a shot in anger. It is a once-per-decade event.

That's bullshit, I was deployed in Afghanistan. If you think loading a gun is something I wanted to think about when shit hits the fan you are wrong.

In addition you have to retrain all your reflexes. This is based on years of training that cannot simply be changed easily.

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Post by [deleted] »

tesmar2 wrote: post #522
wtvanhest wrote: post #30

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This one is tricky. On one hand the CCW permit is for the personal benefit of the person receiving it. If the company needed armed staff, they could simply hire full-time armed guards. There is no reason head of security at Apple needs to be armed using a concealed weapon. They are not going undercover to bust smugglers or whatever. On the other hand, the payment was to the Sherriff's office, not the sheriff himself.…

He shouldn’t have to apply for a permit in the first place. 2nd amendment should cover his needs. Having a permit process just opens up the system for corruption.

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Post by jkaplowitz »

giantg2 wrote: post #591
jkaplowitz wrote: post #578

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Maybe the news article was being informal, or maybe they specifically wanted to carry concealed and not open. It still seems like whatever was being requested was on behalf of the security team he was overseeing as his primary job duty at Apple.

It's possible the journalist was wrong, but I believe the BSIS issues the professional license, not the sherriff. Open or concealed doesn't matter when it's for armed employment - the license from BSIS is what's needed. So it seems this was for personal CCW. Edit: Never mind. CA is super stupid and requires a state license to carry a firearm for employment but would then also require a license from the sheriff to con…

As discussed in the other subthread, CCW and BSIS would both be needed for concealed carry executive protection in California.

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Post by [deleted] »

kube-system wrote: post #320
pageandrew wrote: post #291

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> the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed Seems like denying some people the right to bear arms would pretty plainly constitute an infringement, no?

SCOTUS has not ruled on this issue, so it is technically undetermined. SCOTUS has ruled in other cases that there are some situations where people can be denied those rights legally, so determining the outcome is not as simple as reading the text. SCOTUS generally evaluates the law in a broader context than just the written text.

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Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by giantg2 »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #607
giantg2 wrote: post #591

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It's possible the journalist was wrong, but I believe the BSIS issues the professional license, not the sherriff. Open or concealed doesn't matter when it's for armed employment - the license from BSIS is what's needed. So it seems this was for personal CCW. Edit: Never mind. CA is super stupid and requires a state license to carry a firearm for employment but would then also require a license from the sheriff to con…

As discussed in the other subthread, CCW and BSIS would both be needed for concealed carry executive protection in California.

Hence my comment about not minding my comment and CA being stupid.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Post by disown »

paxys wrote: post #98

Can't believe all the Apple apologists here. Bribing public officials is a crime, period. It isn't an "unfortunate situation" or anything else that people are calling it. It also doesn't matter who initiated the bribe. The employee, and potentially the company itself, absolutely need to be charged and prosecuted for it.

> Can't believe all the Apple apologists here.

Really? HN has been a den of Apple, Microsoft, etc worship for a while now. In another thread on the frontpage, people are encouraging people to buy Apple TV. It's partly the social media PR teams these companies hire, it's the advertising and it's also the type of people HN attracts. It's sickening but what can you do.

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