What ever happened to the home of the brave and the land of the free. Well shit, appearntly it went down the drain about 200 years ago. Can't own a weapon of your choice without bribing people anymore. Shit can't even own a suppressed weapon without registering with the FEDs and dishing out 5 years and 10k later. Go to a 3rd world country where its ok to knock on the door and see someone owning an AK47 without it being registered or bribed. Your ass would be shot. This country has seriously went to shit. Home of the mother fucking pussies and slaved to your own fucking land.
Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
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#442Kinda reminds me of that time the Cupertino City Council asked Steve Jobs for free Wifi and iPads in the hearing to approve Apple's new campus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M&t=790 But I guess they all had a good laugh in the end, so it doesn't count?
It’s not illegal to joke about bribery.
Correct. And it’s not illegal to investigate when nominal jokes about bribery may be construed as code inviting actual bribery.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hidden carry is never essential for security teams. It is about looks. They dont want the guns appearing in potential photos of Apple events. The guards can carry guns openly just like every single street cop.
I think CA law will not let you have any loaded weapons transported without CCW. And loaded weapons is kind of needed to protect VIPs.
The requirements to get your "guard card" in CA with the endorsement to carry a firearm a very low bar to pass. You see plenty of people making barely over minimum wage doing this. It is the "concealed" portion that requires the permit that can not be readily obtained by security guards without jumping through the same process as Joe Public which is regulated by the local City and County law enforcement in CA.
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#444Can't believe all the Apple apologists here. Bribing public officials is a crime, period. It isn't an "unfortunate situation" or anything else that people are calling it. It also doesn't matter who initiated the bribe. The employee, and potentially the company itself, absolutely need to be charged and prosecuted for it.
I don't see any Apple apologists here in the comments. Who are you referring to? All I see is the fact that the Apple employee didn't initiate the bribe, the sheriff's office demanded it (extorted it) and the employee was put in the unfortunate immediate situation of either not getting their lawfully permitted license, or paying the bribe. At the end of the day it's bribery so of course the employee deserves to be ch…
There are two categories of bribes.
If you bribe someone to get something that you're not qualified for, that is clearly wrong on the part of both the applicant and the permit approver.
But if you're being denied something you should get, unless you bribe them, I am more sympathetic to the applicant.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#445Can't believe all the Apple apologists here. Bribing public officials is a crime, period. It isn't an "unfortunate situation" or anything else that people are calling it. It also doesn't matter who initiated the bribe. The employee, and potentially the company itself, absolutely need to be charged and prosecuted for it.
it's not clear exactly what happened in the article - did Moyer work w/ the sheriff's office to extort Apple for the permits?
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#446Unbelievable capricious enforcement of a may issue permitting regime, asking for and receiving bribes! For those who don't know, in many other States a carry permit must be issued by the issuing authority unless the applicant is disqualified for reasons stated in the law. The irony is these Apple employees previously could have sought and obtained certain out of state licenses by passing the tests and qualifications.…
It’s insane that shall-issue is not the defacto standard. If you meet the requirements (not a felon etc) for exercising what is unarguably a constitutional right your participation in said right should not be at the gov’s leisure.
It is infuriating, and not at all surprising when government officials are allowed to determine what actions are permissible by what groups.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#447Kinda reminds me of that time the Cupertino City Council asked Steve Jobs for free Wifi and iPads in the hearing to approve Apple's new campus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M&t=790 But I guess they all had a good laugh in the end, so it doesn't count?
Half of the joke was probably the Cupertino city council being jealous of Google providing free wifi for Mountain View.
Jobs has a good point about "paying taxes." In the last few years, a lot of people in the Bay Area outside tech are saying things like "why doesn't tech do more to build more housing." They pay taxes, and tech workers living in the cities are paying income and property taxes. The communities should be asking themselves why they, themselves, aren't building more housing. What did they think these added tax dollars should be going it?
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#448Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#449Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Because I currently cannot get a LCTF from the city... I had no need for that before corona virus, I do need one now. I'm not questioning that you really do need a LTCF, but with COVID and the protests and the election suddenly everyone "needs" a gun. So there's reduced capacity + HUGE surge in demand + severe budget shortfalls. It's not a conspiracy. It's just queuing theory. > Bucks county is issuing it in 15 min…
It's interesting, because with a financial incentive, stores have no problem running NICS checks in a few short minutes. I am uninterested in the government itself creating onerous requirements to execute basic rights and then complaining when they can't manage it in a reasonable time. And of course, the courts have ruled there is a reasonable amount of time, that's 45 days. It's been litigated.
> with a financial incentive
I guess it doesn't need saying, but government offices have no such incentive. In fact, we don't want government offices to have such an incentive, and we even make it illegal to construct such an incentive in certain ways. See: the article.
> the courts have ruled there is a reasonable amount of time, that's 45 days. It's been litigated.
Courts don't control purse strings, and the remedy you're asking for here is pretty extreme given the circumstances.
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#450Wow the sheriff’s office is asking for bribes openly like this? I am really surprised. I wonder how common bribes are at that level of the government.
I'm surprised that you're surprised. You ask this as if the US is immune to corruption. Maybe the US isn't as blatant as Russia, but you're dealing with humans. Call my cynical, but this is going to happen.