This is why gun rights organizations fight for shall-issue rather than may-issue.
I will never understand the perspective that “more corruption among gun owners” is somehow better than “more gun owners”.
This doesn't seem coherent.
Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
301–310 of 1001 posts
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#302It worries me that the local sheriff thought he could extort bribes from a multinational company and get away with it. And Apple is very much top of the list. Of course the cops are corrupt, but this degree of corruption is something you'd have thought would happen only in Brazil. It's either more common than we know or this individual is unusually stupid.
Bribery for gun permits is also very common in NYC. It's well known that you either have to employ ex-NYPD in some capacity to get a gun permit, or pay cash. Maybe it's slowed down since some high profile arrests in 2017. https://abc7ny.com/nypd-police-corruption-investigation/1914... DAs don't like investigating cops.
This is exactly why governments love red tape and "oversight". When you have to come to GOVERNMENT to ask for permission, they can make it worth it for them.
No surprise this is so prevalent in NYC and Santa Clara. They can deceive people that the strong requirements is under the guise of gun control or some such.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is illegal according to US law. At my company, we are explicitly taught the opposite: paying "facilitation fees" is prohibited and illegal and that the employer will fire you and throw you under the bus if they find out you did so. They explicitly mention that this is not allowed even if it is the norm in the country in which you are doing business.
There's a difference between a bribe to win a contract or similar vs. the case where you feel in danger - e.g. you come across a roadblock in rural Mexico and an armed official wants a "clear up your paperwork" payoff to let you pass. That's the scenario the training covers.
Exactly, and it's clearly permitted to pay in that case because being able to travel involves routine govt action. I have no idea where this legal advice is coming from.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hidden carry is never essential for security teams. It is about looks. They dont want the guns appearing in potential photos of Apple events. The guards can carry guns openly just like every single street cop.
I think CA law will not let you have any loaded weapons transported without CCW. And loaded weapons is kind of needed to protect VIPs.
Also some cities have restrictions on open carry of unloaded weapons as well (generally you have to be going somewhere with the gun iirc).
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Concealed is the only option. California doesn't allow sheriffs to issue open carry licenses except in low-population rural counties.
In public, yes, but presumably that doesn’t apply to security guards on Apple property.
I imagine Apple's security team was interested in procuring CCW permits for use beyond Apple's property. Probably for executive security and things along those lines.
You're right that carry permits are not required on private property.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#306Just move your HQ to TX, and you can get all of the CCWs you want.
I know you're joking, but this is one of the many reasons I'm glad to be going out the door here in California. This state loves to criminalize normal people and decriminalize actual criminal behavior.
They won't cite you for public defecation but they will cite you for jaywalking, because jaywalkers can be squeezed.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#307This story reads straight out like the kind of scenario we have in our yearly mandatory ethics and anti-corruption training:
"You're conducting some business with [public institution] and the person you're talking with would like your company to donate something to the local charity. What do you do?"
Interesting to see that those hypothetical scenarios aren't so hypothetical.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's probably one of the craziest things I've heard. Never commit a crime to look a certain way because it won't look that way tomorrow. The police could be trapping you. If not they now have dirt on you. How in the world can you explain that to a judge if it came to that?
Honestly, this sounds like it's coming from someone that lives in a country where bribes aren't commonplace. It's good that you and I both live in countries like that; but, in some countries, you report your bribes on taxes, they're so common. From the other comments in this thread, it's suggesting that the CCW permit process in California is very bad and broken and these bribes have been an illegal method of actuall…
I remember reading in the calguns forums a few years back that sheriffs had de-facto outlawed concealed carry in CA with this extortionate program.
By the way Apples head of security isn’t the only one. Nanci Pelosi has had a CCW for a long time while simultaneously fighting to suppress gun ownership in her own city and state.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#309Neat trick: Agents of the state demand quid pro quo for the performance of basic and necessary state functions, then the state prosecutes citizens for complying with these demands. Heads I win, tails you lose.
They also charged the agents of the state.
Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also pay bribes when I feel threatened for my safety and the person i’m talking to has the tools i need for my safety and demands rent. The only people in the wrong here are the police .
We are talking about a high-ranking Apple executive who needed concealed carry permits. This guy literally runs a private global army. Let's not pretend he was scared for his life. He just chose to do what was easy for himself and the company (pay some pocket change) rather than take any possible legal route.
He was in charge of the executive protection team. They are armed because leaders of well known companies face constant threats and are kidnapping targets (Apple would obviously pay countless sums to get Tim Cook back safely for example).
The Bay Area and New York are notorious for withholding permits because it creates artificial scarcity, and off-duty cops are the only ones able to fill the demand.