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Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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It worries me that the local sheriff thought he could extort bribes from a multinational company and get away with it. And Apple is very much top of the list.

Of course the cops are corrupt, but this degree of corruption is something you'd have thought would happen only in Brazil. It's either more common than we know or this individual is unusually stupid.

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What are the needs for concealed carry at Apple? For some reason this reminds me of Apple’s security team attempting to recover (by force) the lost iPhone 4.

Concealed carry is the only type of carry in California.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Can't believe all the Apple apologists here. Bribing public officials is a crime, period. It isn't an "unfortunate situation" or anything else that people are calling it. It also doesn't matter who initiated the bribe. The employee, and potentially the company itself, absolutely need to be charged and prosecuted for it.

Why the company? Seems like it was just this individual.

The requested permits were for Apple's security team.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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I've gone through various "International Training" sessions at my company and one of the things they teach is that if a foreign official says something like, "hmmm... your papers are invalid, but I can help you out for $100" or similar, you should pay and immediately report (and expense) it on return. I know one coworker who went through this traveling through a small country.

Your company trained you to pay bribes? That sounds...unusual, and not at all lawful (according to US law, if you are based in the US).

Yep, they did and do. And we are a US company with lots of lawyers. My coworker was at a tiny island airport in the middle of the Pacific. If he didn't pay, he wasn't going anywhere.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Nope, that's also shall-issue in most states. If you meet the statutory requirements (passing the test, age, etc), then they must issue the license.

But the test is necessarily subjective. The instructor can determine, for instance, whether the applicant drove recklessly during the exam.

Sort of. I kind of hate that reckless driving law since it is somewhat subjective. Each state should have case law about it and allow you your due process rights to challenge it too. But yeah, I can see in the context of the test that it could be a problem. If you record the test, then you should be able to challenge it (sad it sometimes comes to that).

I'm in a similar situation, actually. I had a trooper lie in court and even admit to it in the complaint investigation, but the investigator (another trooper) said it must be a misunderstanding. I'm curious how intentionally lying to cover up your mistake (exculpatory evidence) is a misunderstanding as a civil rights violation under Brady v MD, but I also don't want to get 'suicided'.

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Source?

From the Google results for 'civil asset forfeture theft': https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-... https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/cops-seize-mor... In 2014, $4.5B of property was legally seized via civil asset forfeiture, and $3.9B of property was burgled.

>In 2014, $4.5B of property was legally seized via civil asset forfeiture, and $3.9B of property was burgled.

But that's a weaker claim than the original, which argued 'Police are responsible for more theft in the United States (through "asset forfeiture") than "real" criminals', which I interpret to mean all thefts, rather than just burglary (a subset of '"real" criminals'). The former seems to be around 12B a year, according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/252440/property-stolen-a....

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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The facts of the article seem to imply that the sheriff's office was blackmailing Apple. I am not sure I'd call this bribery, unless there was some reason the CCW permits should not have been issued (criminal conviction or some other risk). The Apple employee should have known better to agree to the quid pro quo, but I am not sure he should go to prison.

I hear it's really difficult to get a CCW in CA unless you are rich or famous. I'm wondering if that's true?

A key element is whether the permit is "shall-issue" (must be issued if you do the paperwork correctly and pass background checks) vs. "may-issue" (up to the discretion of the local sheriff, who inevitably can be compromised by fame or bribes, which is obviously the case here).

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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"the employee was put in the unfortunate situation of either not getting their lawfully permitted license, or paying the bribe" ...or immediately going to the FBI.

These permits in CA are may-issue, not shall-issue. The sheriff can deny for any reason (of course they aren't supposed to ask for a bribe).

> (of course they aren't supposed to ask for a bribe)

Oh they just weren't "supposed" to ask for bribes. Nothing illegal here, just a honest guy going above and beyond on his job to keep America safe.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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I don't really have sympathy, but I think as much criminals is a bit too strong. I am also wondering if this is essential equipment for the security team.

Hidden carry is never essential for security teams. It is about looks. They dont want the guns appearing in potential photos of Apple events. The guards can carry guns openly just like every single street cop.

I think CA law will not let you have any loaded weapons transported without CCW. And loaded weapons is kind of needed to protect VIPs.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've gone through various "International Training" sessions at my company and one of the things they teach is that if a foreign official says something like, "hmmm... your papers are invalid, but I can help you out for $100" or similar, you should pay and immediately report (and expense) it on return. I know one coworker who went through this traveling through a small country.

Your company trained you to pay bribes? That sounds...unusual, and not at all lawful (according to US law, if you are based in the US).

Valid point re: US law, but isn't the alternative training employees to get into potentially dangerous confrontations with officials in corrupt countries?
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