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Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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What are the needs for concealed carry at Apple? For some reason this reminds me of Apple’s security team attempting to recover (by force) the lost iPhone 4.

I don't think the need is at Apple, but rather, for personal bodyguards to the CEO. This appears to be the reason Facebook was involved in the same scheme.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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post #13

It should not be so difficult for the head of security of the largest company on the planet to get a CCW permit. That is the problem. The system is so flawed, you have no choice but to play the game (bribe). You can't just not have a CCW in the position he holds.

> You can't just not have a CCW in the position he holds.

How so? Unless you mean to claim Apple expects anyone hired for that position to knowingly break the law as part of having that position.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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This article seems to be less about CCW permits themselves and more that a state agency is soliciting bribes for various permits when they realize the wealth of the organizations seeking them.

> Requested $75k of Apple tech to issue a CCW permit to the head of security, etc.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just the cheaper (because there's a bunch of things more risky about it) equivalent of hiring a body guard. Why not?

I mean, you said why not yourself. There's a lot that goes into being a bodyguard that makes it quite different from allowing random employees to carry.

> There's a lot that goes into being a bodyguard

No. There isn't.

I used to work for a company that fielded body guards as one of their many services. Basically just have a pulse, don't have a criminal history, pass a fairly trivial interview that's designed to filter out people who think they're gonna be billy-badass or that it's gonna be an exiting job. There's a reason it doesn't pay well. Almost anyone can do it.

Driving a floor polisher was more lucrative and sucked less so I did that.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Apple’s security chief should be fired over this. But, this is common practice where there are ‘may issue’ CCW permits. Either have shall issue, or no issue. Having the sheriff decide just creates a valuable commodity.

Ha! I’d bet the security head did not do this of their own accord, there was almost certainly a higher-up approving it. And what would apple do, replace their head of security (who is willing and able to navigate sociopolitical constructs in order to do their job to the fullest extent possible) with some random fellow who would turn around at the first “no” from some beurocrat and report back to senior leadership that the only people who will be allowed to have guns on Apple campus are the criminals? Highly highly doubtful.

If they do get fired, it will be as a scapegoat, probably with a large severance, and any company in the world would hire them up immediately.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Apple’s security chief should be fired over this. But, this is common practice where there are ‘may issue’ CCW permits. Either have shall issue, or no issue. Having the sheriff decide just creates a valuable commodity.

What's even more galling is that if I were personally caught in such a situation as an IC, I would have been fired instantly. That he is the head of ethics compliance at Apple makes it even more galling, especially given that the company forces everyone through this kind of training when really only management & leadership violations of these ethics trainings can possibly get the company into serious trouble.

> He has overall responsibility for Apple’s ethics and compliance program including Apple’s Business Conduct Policy, governing the ethical and legal obligations of Apple’s Board, executives and over 130,000 employees around the world,

A delivery of 200 iPads as a bribe to get CCW permits makes me think it's more involved. Although this may be with his discretionary power, it's shocking to me that the donation was aborted as soon as warrants went out. I'd like to better understand what happened at Apple.

Beyond the problem of "may issue" permits you raise, I'd love to remove this kind of discretion for discovery. For example, when bringing charges like this the DA must be obligated to initiate discovery of the company documents to investigate how far reaching the problem may be (settlements can't begin to be negotiated until the DA completes discovery).

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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post #13

It should not be so difficult for the head of security of the largest company on the planet to get a CCW permit. That is the problem. The system is so flawed, you have no choice but to play the game (bribe). You can't just not have a CCW in the position he holds.

> You can't just not have a CCW in the position he holds. How so? Unless you mean to claim Apple expects anyone hired for that position to knowingly break the law as part of having that position.

He means to get that job the number of background checks he would have to go through far exceed even that of a CCW by a large margin. So if he can't get one even being so vetted that they are intentionally not giving them to anyone but people who the sheriff favors. That's the problem, the unfairness of deciding who gets the permit being decided by a single person with no need to justify the decision to anyone else.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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post #13

It should not be so difficult for the head of security of the largest company on the planet to get a CCW permit. That is the problem. The system is so flawed, you have no choice but to play the game (bribe). You can't just not have a CCW in the position he holds.

> You can't just not have a CCW in the position he holds. How so? Unless you mean to claim Apple expects anyone hired for that position to knowingly break the law as part of having that position.

He meant that having a CCW is necessary for the position of head of security for such an organization. The part you quoted makes no assertion that they should be expected to break the law.

Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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The facts of the article seem to imply that the sheriff's office was blackmailing Apple. I am not sure I'd call this bribery, unless there was some reason the CCW permits should not have been issued (criminal conviction or some other risk). The Apple employee should have known better to agree to the quid pro quo, but I am not sure he should go to prison.

This one is tricky.

On one hand the CCW permit is for the personal benefit of the person receiving it. If the company needed armed staff, they could simply hire full-time armed guards. There is no reason head of security at Apple needs to be armed using a concealed weapon. They are not going undercover to bust smugglers or whatever.

On the other hand, the payment was to the Sherriff's office, not the sheriff himself. That makes it a lot less like bribery to me because it still benefits the government.

What makes it especially tricky is that it seems as though the Sherriff asked for the payment. If they did and provided official written documentation to Apple, that feels like a professional and real agreement to provide hardware to the government.

At the end of the day, what will make this bad for Apple's head of security is that he was personally benefiting from the Sherriff's actions by receiving favorable treatment for a CCW he didn't need, and used company hardware to get that favorable treatment.

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