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Re: British hackers: stop voting for lizards; start voting for people today

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Post by anonymoushn » Thu, May 05, 2011, 9:22 PM UTC

randallsquared wrote: post #80

anonymoushn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Condorcet is also an undesirable property: http://rangevoting.org/FishburnAntiC.html

Condorcet just points out that group preferences are not necessarily consistent. This is a property of group preferences, not merely of some voting systems; the voting systems just allow the inconsistency to be noticed.

In the example I provided there is (intuitively, not with relation to any criterion) a consistent preference among the voters for one candidate over another, but the less-preferred candidate is the Condorcet winner.

Re: British hackers: stop voting for lizards; start voting for people today

#102

Post by tezza » Thu, May 05, 2011, 9:28 PM UTC

nl wrote: post #18

Speaking as an Australian (we have preferential voting): Almost anything is better than first past the post.

I am dual Oz / British. I grew up under AV in NSW, with Senate being full PR.

I voted NO because FPTP seems good enough. I don't miss Australia's monster ballot papers. Most of the theoretical advantages of AV , PR dont happen in practice.

I was in Wentworth an unshakeably Liberal seat, whatever your preference. down the road was Maroubra, unshakeable for Labor.

Who can forget the nightmare concessions all the time that Brian Harradine from TAS used to get because he had Balance of Power in the Senate under PR??

Re: British hackers: stop voting for lizards; start voting for people today

#103

Post by nl » Fri, May 06, 2011, 12:07 AM UTC

tezza wrote: post #102

nl wrote: post #18

Speaking as an Australian (we have preferential voting): Almost anything is better than first past the post.

I am dual Oz / British. I grew up under AV in NSW, with Senate being full PR. I voted NO because FPTP seems good enough. I don't miss Australia's monster ballot papers. Most of the theoretical advantages of AV , PR dont happen in practice. I was in Wentworth an unshakeably Liberal seat, whatever your preference. down the road was Maroubra, unshakeable for Labor. Who can forget the nightmare concessions all the time t…

Yes, there will always be safe seats - I think any system where Wentworth wasn't liberal would be suspect.

Your vote is still important in the Senate (as Harradine showed). I'm from South Australia, and we have a independent senator and it's worked out much better than just having senators from the major parties. It means they end up representing the state instead of just voting on party lines.

Yeah, some of the concessions are annoying (especially with Harradine), but in a way that is more democratic than the normal vote-down-party-lines system.