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China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by kieselguhr_kid »

SPBS wrote: post #39
jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

Could you elaborate on why it is such a great achievement? Seems like a pretty natural consequence of their growing economy.

It's not a natural consequence of economic growth. The United States has hundreds of thousands of people living in extreme poverty, if not more, despite being one of the most developed countries in the world. Why didn't all the growth end it here?

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by exabrial »

Yes and No. I've traveled to China several times on extended visits, as recently as 2018. I would say there's an up-and-coming middle class and they've managed to eliminate some _extreme poverty_, but with a lot of asterisks.

The methods are not not great (hey the end justifies the means, right? seems to be popular mantra these days, even in the USA) and they sometimes come at great distress to human rights (forced factory staffing... but hey, your'e getting paid right?).

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by trianglem »

libeclipse wrote: post #47
jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

You know what else is a great achievement? The very cool concentration camps chilling in Xinjiang.

Both things are happening. One very good and the other as bad as it gets.

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by rattoot22 »

libeclipse wrote: post #47
jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

You know what else is a great achievement? The very cool concentration camps chilling in Xinjiang.

While those camps are not ideal, they don't detract from the achievement of lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in a few decades.

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by disgu »

arnmac wrote: post #4

And they also supposedly only have 93k confirmed COVID cases. Not sure I believe this.

I absolutely believe it. The main thing you have to take care of is the community spread and that's easy to control if you can control the community and that's pretty easy for the chinese government.

They probably do have more cases (like all other countries do as well), but the measures are way more effective if you don't have to care about people's personal freedoms.

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Post by Nginx487 »

jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

> "...and rule of law"

According to which law kidnappings, tortures and human organs harvesting are being performed?

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Post by _dibly »

dzonga wrote: post #46
SPBS wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on why it is such a great achievement? Seems like a pretty natural consequence of their growing economy.

lifting a billion people out of poverty, would be a big achievment in terms of economic planning, logistics and resource planning. those are no small tasks. also while maintaining social integrity. yeah, the ccp takes away a lot of freedoms, but how would you do maintain a cohesive society ?

>maintaining social integrity

>takes away a lot of freedoms

pick one?

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by libeclipse »

Nginx487 wrote: post #56
jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

> "...and rule of law" According to which law kidnappings, tortures and human organs harvesting are being performed?

Hong Kong is currently enjoying China's "rule of law"

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by SubiculumCode »

jbrun wrote: post #31

Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.

Rule of Law? Really? I applaud raising the people from poverty, but rule of law? In an authoritarian sense I suppose, not in a human rights sense though.

Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties

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Post by SubiculumCode »

rattoot22 wrote: post #54
libeclipse wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what else is a great achievement? The very cool concentration camps chilling in Xinjiang.

While those camps are not ideal, they don't detract from the achievement of lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty in a few decades.

Ideal? Just say they are wrong and evil
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