Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by oarsinsync » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

matwood wrote: post #136

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

Agreed. Apple could be lying, but they (top executives) have stated multiple times that the mac is not an iDevice. They have also stated they have no plans to only allow installs from app store, and they understand the value of tools like brew etc...They are what makes the mac popular with developers. This could all change, but until it does articles like this feel a lot like FUD. Additionally, completely dismissing…

Apple have a history of denying anything until it's ready, and then they flip the script. While the article is clearly biased, it would be foolish to believe that Apple is a company that doesn't change course, going as far as total U-turns on public statements, as long as it's in their interests to do so.

> They are what makes the mac popular with developers

Developers believe that they're Apple's priority when it comes to hardware, especially the Mac, in large part due to the perfect intersect that was the MBP for many years. That tide already turned in 2016 with the new keyboard, followed by the touch bar. Like the joke that the 'S' in IoT stands for security (the joke being there is no S, and there is no security), there is no 'D' for developer in MBP. Apple have been consistently clear that 'professional developers' are not the primary target of their 'Pro' lineup across the board.

Someone else made a comment on this forum that got my attention recently, that we're all so used to being courted as customers by (mostly free) services that we've forgotten that we're not always the target customer. Similarly, developers are only welcome in Apple's ecosystem if they play by Apple's rules. Like we've seen with the App Store, Apple will frequently alter the terms of the deal. All you can do is pray they do not alter them any further.

None of this should diminish the extraordinary results that can be delivered by the M1. That is amazing.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by haolez » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:55 PM UTC

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

It's a trillion-dollar market. Of course the incentive is there to monopolize and monetize app installations.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by jb1991 » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

matsemann wrote: post #101

jb1991 wrote: post #95

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It’s a general problem with the overall, wider polarization of modern culture. Whether it’s politics or tech, people really really really love to take sides in our world today, it it seems to have a blinding effect on perspectives and logic for many people on both sides of the argument.

It's good that one has the enlightened centrists to tell everyone that both sides are equally bad, at least.

I see what you did there!

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by valuearb » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

rfvrgvegbegn wrote: post #60

joshsyn wrote: post #5

Always one guy who shouts about control and submission. Don't like it don't buy it?

It's like saying "I like my polluting car, if you don't, don't buy one" "I like my t-shirt that has been manufactured with slave labour, if you don't, don't buy one" Can we stop with this naive "Let me buy one, if you don't like it don't buy it" ? This puts your immediate personal comfort over the common future of computing, technology, freedom, privacy, economy and more.

Wow what a bunch of non sequitors.

Someone polluting the air impacts your life, someone choosing a different computer does not.

Is someone in a third world country building goods for first world consumers “slave labor” or improving their standard of living by “pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps”. Methinks an accurate discussion is far more nuanced than you really want to have.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by gchamonlive » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

I would expect Apple to support third party repair and right to repair itself if what they had in mind was to improve user experience.

Maybe those are two things separate, hardware post-purchase support and software user experience, but I can't as a consumer separate those two.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by Tade0 » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 3:00 PM UTC

bfgoodrich wrote: post #156

Tade0 wrote: post #132

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Because the GPU there is okay-ish, but not amazing - not really suitable for gaming.

The power-sipping, integrated GPU has performance 30% better than a GTX 1050 Ti [1]. The GTX 1050 Ti is still a current, sold product [2], selling for $150 or so USD [3], and consumes about 75-100W in your PC. We can no true Scotsman this, but that GPU performance is a literal magnitude+ greater than what the majority of users have in their computers (and I am including full desktops in this discussion). The overwhel…

The 2080 Max-Q in my laptop is fairly underpowered (even for a mobile GPU) and yet it achieves ~3x the performance of the GTX 1050 Ti.

Also its TDP is 90W - not exactly power sipping, but also not 300W.

The M1's GPU may be efficient (thanks mostly to TSMC's 5nm process it's built in), but in terms of raw power it's just not there.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by valuearb » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 3:01 PM UTC

resynth1943 wrote: post #176

newbie578 wrote: post #19

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I bet there were people like you back when slavery was legal. If you don't like slavery, just don't buy slaves. Nothing wrong with that, right? YoU hAvE oPtIonS aS a CoNsuMer.

> I bet there were people like you back when slavery was legal. It still is. Go research Apple's relationship with Foxconn.

Apples relationship with Foxconn has a lot more to do with providing safer and higher paid jobs to allow workers to escape brutal rural farm jobs.

I’ve never seen anyone wait in massive lines for days just for the chance at slavery.

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Post by zepto » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 3:02 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #181

moepstar wrote: post #162

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As in what, having to RMB -> Open ? In what way was it made "more difficult" than that? What exactly suggests it is "becoming (even?) more difficult"?

You used to be able to open any application directly. Simple and easy. Then they introduced Gatekeeper, but you had the option to disable the Gatekeeper check for all applications. Then they removed the option to disable the check for all applications. You now only have the options "App Store" and "App Store and identified developers". They have definitely made the whole thing harder and harder during these past 10 y…

Epic wasn’t ‘just ousted’. They lied to Apple, and broke their contract, in full awareness of the consequences.

The courts have agreed that the reason their apps are not in the store is of their own doing, which is why they have not granted an injunction.

Whatever the outcome of their case, they are not an example of some general trend of Apple ‘ousting’ developers.

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Post by rootusrootus » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 3:03 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #188

holstvoogd wrote: post #108

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It always seems like some sort of deflection tactic. Shouting how bad apple is, while using a device practically owned by google.

Google allows third-party app stores and most of the source code for Android is out there in the open. I don't know how Google "practically owns" your device considering Apple asserts a much more complete control over your device.

> most of the source code for Android

Except for everything related to the Play Store, correct? And that is a critical part of Android at this point. Google is progressively closing Android.

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Post by valuearb » Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 3:04 PM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #48

Veen wrote: post #34

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It is in extremely bad taste—not to mention ludicrously inaccurate—to compare your premium laptop ecosystem options with chattel slavery.

Aren't Apple devices assembled in sweatshops? The comparison might be more accurate than intended.

No, Apple has a code of conduct all their contractors are required to adhere to,, and pays substantially more than market. Their jobs are so coveted potential hires wait in lines for days just for a chance at getting an Apple job.