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Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by matsemann »

jb1991 wrote: post #95
jmull wrote: post #90

What is it about Apple that makes people’s brains turn off? Apple silicon doesn’t change anything about Apple’s mac app store. Microsoft would need to release a native version of Windows, not Apple. He has a point with Rosetta 2, that it will very likely disappear (years from now), though that would affect software that isn’t being actively maintained (most of which failed to make the transition to x64 already). And…

It’s a general problem with the overall, wider polarization of modern culture. Whether it’s politics or tech, people really really really love to take sides in our world today, it it seems to have a blinding effect on perspectives and logic for many people on both sides of the argument.

It's good that one has the enlightened centrists to tell everyone that both sides are equally bad, at least.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by jfk13 »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #35
Bud wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that even a serious criticism? Users had about ten years of warning before 32-bit went away. The real impact of that on real users is minimal.

There are some non-trivial apps used by real users that are 32-bit only, in particular the pre-subscription versions of Adobe Creative Suite.

And real users can keep running that old software on real similarly-old computers. I don't think the number of still-functional old Macs is so small that they're going to be impossible to find any time soon.

I can understand being unhappy that Adobe doesn't offer an upgrade path from an obsolete version of CS to similar licensing terms for a modern version that runs on modern computers. But I think that complaint should be directed at Adobe, not Apple.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by czzr »

romanoderoma wrote: post #84
socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

> Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan horses. I don't intend to sound dismissive, but this line of thinking has a name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalism

It also has another name:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by jackpeterfletch »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

The fact that Apple stopped requiring dev licenses to sideload code onto iOS devices makes me think that their effort to ensure that "typical users" install signed apps on macOS, really is about security and experience.

I think its funny that most people here wouldent trust a website with no certificate, but for applications the idea seems to be considered abhorrent.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by my123 »

vvwvvwvvw wrote: post #67
Pesthuf wrote: post #18

I also think the marketing was genius. NOT labeling that graph they showed did exactly what they wanted. It was impressing the non tech people and the tech people ALL kept talking and talking about it - because it wasn't labeled. Apple's marketing is brilliant. It really gets the kind of people who think they are too smart to be marketed to AND the normies, all in one message.

I was wondering why Gamer Nexus (a very rigorous YouTube review channel) didn't sent a M1 device, while those Apple fanboy channels got it. Probably the dude would've torn the M1 performance claims apart.

Because those outlets never get Macs usually, and it isn't what they cover.

Note that a laptop chip also isn't a gaming product, for obvious reasons.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Yes Apple is about platform control and monetization, and they're pretty good at it. They want you to buy-in into their ecosystem and stay loyal; even developers of iOS and Mac OS apps have to open Apple dev accounts (and the process of rolling out an app on the App Store is ... byzantine). They keep off copycat and privacy-invading apps that way, and their customers love that aspect of their platform (I even use a cheap iPhone to get away from the mass surveillance devices called Android phones).

Apple's Silicon is a great success AFAICT, when Intel has just stagnated for years now. I love Apple innovations like that, and I think Apple Silicon is in principal orthogonal to the lock-in aspect so far, apart from the fact that there won't be alternative O/S on Apple Silicon due to lack of drivers; now of course, Apple could soon extend the ARM ISA in proprietary ways.

However, as much as Apple produces shiny consumer laptops (despite their naming, I don't consider MBPs as "professional" devices due to lack of options), I'm probably staying away from Mac OS, because professionally I need to run (mostly) F/OSS apps such as compilers, databases, middlewares, VMs/containers, and backend tool chains. I also believe their notarization thing will kill F/OSS on Mac OS which makes it useless for me. And Apple has to take the piss here, as F/OSS is what Mac OS (Mac OS X) is built on, and what made it even remotely acceptable in 2002/3. If you're a developer of non-Mac OS, non-iOS apps, expect Mac OS to stop being an option even more so than it is already.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by holstvoogd »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

It always seems like some sort of deflection tactic. Shouting how bad apple is, while using a device practically owned by google.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by socialdemocrat »

dandellion wrote: post #51
cinbun8 wrote: post #20

I don't understand why exerting better control over hardware + software would mean we are being duped. A more cohesive experience provided by Apple can only be a win for them and their customers.

As long as your interests align with Apple's, yes. But if they stop being aligned you basically have no control. So it's a double edged sword, it basically comes down to personal choice.

As long as there is an escape hatch which macOS has. The key problem IMHO with iOS is not the AppStore but the lack of an escape hatch.

Running something from outside the AppStore should be an option. It could be a switch or toggle you could turn on with a warning.

Re: Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control

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Post by criley2 »

newsclues wrote: post #94
romanoderoma wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan horses. I don't intend to sound dismissive, but this line of thinking has a name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalism

Does that not apply to the State and government?

The difference between the State and the Private Company is that citizens vote for the State, and Legislators (the "paternalizers") are directly installed by the voters.

The iPhone buyer does not get a say in the development staff or direction at Apple.

My government intends to be "Of the people, for the people, by the people". Imagine if Apple every single year had elections at every level of their company! Vote for your local support representatives. Vote for your local b+m store management. Vote for executive staff. Etc etc.

But until Apple does that, there is literally no fair comparison with paternalism in state and private industry.

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