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Gimp is 25 years old today

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Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by user-the-name »

h2odragon wrote: post #214
user-the-name wrote: post #210

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It is also something you call disabled people when you want to be really insulting. It doesn't matter one bit that you didn't mean it to mean that, that meaning still exists, and it's still what people see when they see the name. It is an absolutely awful name.

> It doesn't matter one bit that you didn't mean it to mean that If that's the case, the offense exists totally in another no matter my actions... is it not something that other needs address, not society or myself? If you want to take things that way; why can't the GIMP be a beacon of hope and inspiration for the disabled? Despite being crippled by the UI it still serves legions well and faithfully.

Because no part of it presents itself that way. All it does is take a slur and use it as the name, and make no further comment on it whatsoever.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by tripzilch »

BuildTheRobots wrote: post #98
agumonkey wrote: post #53

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It's funny because GIMP is one of the tools I hate the most. It's really hard to describe how quickly I want to say no to just about everything that it does. I'm quite open[0] but I'd rather write perl script with imagemagik than use gimp. [0] i can love both emacs and vi and even ed, I've used just about any 2d/3d program ever

> It's funny because GIMP is one of the tools I hate the most. You've obviously not tried to replace Adobe Illustrator with Inkscape ;) (edit: a flippant comment backed by much frustration. If you're creating SVGs for laser cutting then the inability to nicely use mm as a unit of measure is infuriating.)

> If you're creating SVGs for laser cutting then the inability to nicely use mm as a unit of measure is infuriating.

I do this all the time (for my mechanical plotter).

InkScape is an incredibly useful tool that can do some things that Illustrator chokes on (doesn't always load standards compliant SVG correctly and/or does weird proprietary shit) -- and vice versa, but I think there could actually be reason to install and use both.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by scarfacedeb »

egonschiele wrote: post #209
keyle wrote: post #72

I just gave it another whirl, maybe first time in 10 years. It's still as shocking, UX wise. I hate Photoshop, I use it very often. It's bloated since before CS1, it's annoying to use, it's DRM rooted with a service running 24/7 on my machine, and it's also very costly. Sadly, there is literally no option nearly as good. Adobe got me by the balls.

If you're willing to pay for it, the Affinity line and Procreate are both strong contenders. I don't use Photoshop anymore, those tools have replaced it.

I concur, Affinity Photo is an excellent tool. I forgot about Photoshop a long time ago.

I'm still waiting for their Lightroom replacement though. For some reason I just couldn't adapt to Darkroom.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by blackrock »

I tried using GIMP to edit photos, to enhance the colors and lighting. It failed. Miserably.

I gave up and bought a 1-year license to Adobe for $100 for Photoshop and Lightroom.

This was one of the few times, where I just could not make it work with open source software.

GIMP was just maddening to use. And while Photoshop has its own complexity, at least I was sorta able to understand it.

Lightroom was an even better workflow oriented version of Photoshop, for specifically color and lighting correction.

Sadly, my 1-year license expired. And I couldn’t justify buying the full version for $1000. Since I don’t think the computer I was installing it on, would even last that long.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by jfengel »

riidom wrote: post #193
mkl wrote: post #124

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I use purely mm for most Inkscape projects (not for laser cutting, but some are for my plotter). Set the units in Document Properties and it just works, IME.

Yes. I get when people criticize Inkscape for it's UI (personally I find it annoying to re-arrange the side windows), but feature-wise there is nothing left to be desired (except maybe CMYK not sure about that). But whenever I need something to be printed, it goes into Scribus anyway, and there we have CMYK.

There is a major hole in its lack of support for animation.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by ogre_codes »

Lipsey wrote: post #17
ogre_codes wrote: post #3

Phenomenal. One of my all time favorite pieces of Open Source Software. I used GIMP for years as my goto photo editor before migrating to the Mac.

You can still run GIMP on Mac. I do and love it.

I know, I don't do as much photo editing anymore and there are some better integrated/ Mac friendlier options that take care of my needs for just a few bucks.

I love FOSS, but I also like creative/ great products by small to mid-size indie developers like Pixelmator. For what I do, it's fantastic, they have a iPad app too which is where I do most of my photo editing.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by 0x4a42 »

jcelerier wrote: post #160
0x4a42 wrote: post #67

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Krita is a painting app comparable to Corel Painter. You can't compare it with GIMP or Photoshop.

Krita is more than enough for a lot of photo editing needs, which are basically cropping, resizing, applying color filters etc - for those operations Krita is much more straightforward than GIMP. Also if what you said matched reality, Corel Painter would still exist in a meaningful way in 2020 but most artists migrated to Photoshop for their painting needs in 2007

> Krita is more than enough for a lot of photo editing needs, which are basically cropping, resizing, applying color filters

If it's your definition of photo editing then any freeware (ie: xnview, windows' image viewer...) can do this. You don't need Photoshop - which is pro high end software - to do this kind of basic stuffs.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by kazinator »

ehsankia wrote: post #256
kazinator wrote: post #246

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Feeding the flame war with obviously false bullshit. "People are born with the ability to use the program that I offer in contrast to the impossible-to-use crap being discussed. Literally anyone. Even babies who couldn't latch on to a boob for the first two months of their life can use it, whereas that other monstrosity requires a Ph. D. in computer graphics or signal processing." Come on; it's not 1995, and this is…

While I didn't claim anything close to that, and the evidence I have is only anecdotal between me and a dozen peers, I myself learned to use Photoshop at the age of 13, yet the half a dozen times I had to use GIMP, I spent over an hour every single time trying to do basic things such as moving pixels around and doing basic transformations. Look around the thread and you will hear dozens of similar stories. I'm sorry…

In GIMP, selection works in a way that runs counter to the predominant user interface paradigm. A selection isn't an object that the user can pick up for direct manipulation. Rather, it's a delimited region of the image which confines the effects of editing. Thus, you can't just select a rectangle (or whatever) and then drag it to move the pixels. So yes, that will perplex the average user. Scratch that, probably every user. In Gimp, the move tool selects the entire layer which contains the pixels that you're pointing to, and moves that. The selection "cross-cuts" through layers. So that is to say, you can make a selection in one layer (say by picking out a shape), and then switch to another layer where that original selection is still in effect and delimits the edit operations.

The way you move pixels in GIMP, though it doesn't conform to certain well-established user interface conventions, is learnable (and even discoverable). By the time you used it half a dozen times, you should have picked it up on it.

The way you're evaluating these programs is the equivalent of comparing cars by kicking their tires, slamming the door, and honking the horn.

> I didn't know telling my own experience counted as trolling.

Exact words: "Compare it to Photoshop which does more or less the same things but anyone can naturally pick up and use."

That doesn't at all look like telling one's own experience.

Also, your experience consists of evaluating use cases from Microsoft Paint on advanced image editing tools, then it's not relevant enough.

Your comment amounts to what HN calls "shallow dismissal".

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by jcelerier »

0x4a42 wrote: post #267
jcelerier wrote: post #160

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Krita is more than enough for a lot of photo editing needs, which are basically cropping, resizing, applying color filters etc - for those operations Krita is much more straightforward than GIMP. Also if what you said matched reality, Corel Painter would still exist in a meaningful way in 2020 but most artists migrated to Photoshop for their painting needs in 2007

> Krita is more than enough for a lot of photo editing needs, which are basically cropping, resizing, applying color filters If it's your definition of photo editing then any freeware (ie: xnview, windows' image viewer...) can do this. You don't need Photoshop - which is pro high end software - to do this kind of basic stuffs.

I doubt xnview and windows' image viewer allow to correct the perspective but maybe I'm wrong ?

I'd also be surprised if they allowed to change the white balance or do color curves - especially when you look at the amount of super powerful filters come with GMIC, which itself comes with Krita. They also most certainly don't have a "Repair" tool like Krita does (https://streamable.com/p5dd1k).

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by BeetleB »

archerx wrote: post #260
BeetleB wrote: post #236

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For most photographers, that's the equivalent of "I'd rather have ugly photos than use Gimp." If Krita does what you need, that's fine. But for even basic "serious" photoediting, it's lacking. Krita, as they themselves point out, is a drawing program, not a photo editor.

You make a lot of assumptions. You have never seen my photos yet you feel ok to call them ugly. So much for being objective right? Keep assuming though, you know what they say about it.

> You have never seen my photos yet you feel ok to call them ugly.

I did no such thing. There's a reason my comment had a qualifier.

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