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Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by chmod775 »

kazinator wrote: post #239
chmod775 wrote: post #161

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This is how I've been doing it since forever and and at the very least didn't have to Google it. I did not know another way existed... which also just illustrates the point.

Your comment seems disingenuous, because the predominant user interface paradigm in all sorts of programs (file managers, vector editors, text editors, ...) on all sorts of platforms is that when you select something, you can click and drag that selected thing. This is a thing that is different in GIMP: that the selection specifies an area of the image which is affected by operations, rather than an object to manipul…

>Your comment seems disingenuous

Your comment seems like you missed what was being talked about. In fact you appear to think I was arguing a point antipodal to what I was actually saying.

"I did not know another way existed" was referring to a second way to do it in GIMP.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by agumonkey »

tartoran wrote: post #90
agumonkey wrote: post #53

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It's funny because GIMP is one of the tools I hate the most. It's really hard to describe how quickly I want to say no to just about everything that it does. I'm quite open[0] but I'd rather write perl script with imagemagik than use gimp. [0] i can love both emacs and vi and even ed, I've used just about any 2d/3d program ever

Gimp has script fu / python / scheme. It is quite capable of automating and generating images. Gimp is the kind of software you may hate at first but then start to love it for how extensible friendly it is.

Sure, it's extensible but I was speaking on all the other fronts.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by agumonkey »

nnq wrote: post #79
agumonkey wrote: post #53

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It's funny because GIMP is one of the tools I hate the most. It's really hard to describe how quickly I want to say no to just about everything that it does. I'm quite open[0] but I'd rather write perl script with imagemagik than use gimp. [0] i can love both emacs and vi and even ed, I've used just about any 2d/3d program ever

The same here :) I love to work with other software considered user hostile by others, but Gimp... WTF. It's like they took the most horrible stuff from Photohop s horrible UI and mixed it with more horrible ideas... But PS manages to be horrible and still productively usable and had all the required features, like non destructive editing smart objects etc. Something like Affinity Photo is the other end of the spectr…

I think GIMP kinda suffers the same fate as intel. I remember a lot of efforts went into creating the underlying core for image processing (GEGL ?) but then nothing happened. It's stuck at the blender 2.7 way of life.

They may try to revamp ergonomics and performance. But that's their choice.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by ehsankia »

acomjean wrote: post #187
pja wrote: post #137

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Can they though? I'll admit it's a long time since I've sat in front of a Photoshop window, but I remember it being just as complex to use. Is this just partially a "what you're used to is easy & anything different is hard" thing? What exactly makes Photoshop easier to use in your opinion? This is a genuine question - I see this asserted so often, like it's a truism, but nobody ever seems to give specific examples.

Photoshop has a whole industry around teaching how to use it. They have photoshop conferences, books and magazines. Not something you expect for a piece of software that’s intuitive.

So does Microsoft Word. I think you're missing the point. Yes, Photoshop has a lot of more advanced options, but the power of UX is being able to balance basic features and advanced features. Sure someone may not be able to do insane tricks, but doing basic stuff is far more discoverable and intuitive to do.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by ehsankia »

bloopernova wrote: post #176
pja wrote: post #137

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Can they though? I'll admit it's a long time since I've sat in front of a Photoshop window, but I remember it being just as complex to use. Is this just partially a "what you're used to is easy & anything different is hard" thing? What exactly makes Photoshop easier to use in your opinion? This is a genuine question - I see this asserted so often, like it's a truism, but nobody ever seems to give specific examples.

Back in the late 90s when I used Photoshop as part of my Project Support / Sysadmin 50/50 position, I used books that taught me how to do certain things. I think it's just that Photoshop is that much more popular so has orders of magnitude more people writing books and HOWTOs.

I disagree, I picked up photoshop at the age of ~13 and did most things mostly naturally. I've tried GIMP 4 or 5 different times at various ages and I've never been able to achieve anything without hours of effort and guides.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by ehsankia »

kazinator wrote: post #246
colejohnson66 wrote: post #234

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How is that trolling?

Feeding the flame war with obviously false bullshit. "People are born with the ability to use the program that I offer in contrast to the impossible-to-use crap being discussed. Literally anyone. Even babies who couldn't latch on to a boob for the first two months of their life can use it, whereas that other monstrosity requires a Ph. D. in computer graphics or signal processing." Come on; it's not 1995, and this is…

While I didn't claim anything close to that, and the evidence I have is only anecdotal between me and a dozen peers, I myself learned to use Photoshop at the age of 13, yet the half a dozen times I had to use GIMP, I spent over an hour every single time trying to do basic things such as moving pixels around and doing basic transformations.

Look around the thread and you will hear dozens of similar stories.

I'm sorry but I didn't know telling my own experience counted as trolling.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by hakfoo »

kazinator wrote: post #213
gorgoiler wrote: post #159

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Thanks. I feel stupid now. I guess I would have expected this to be called “save”?

You just have to read the whole File menu (of every program you use, not just GIMP!) In GIMP, saving refers to persisting the project in the native .xcf format. Everything else is exporting. Exporting loses information, that's why it's not called saving. It can use lossy compression, first of all. And then, the target format might not support all the semantics. For instance, it might not support layers, or not suppor…

I feel like this was a behaviour shift at some point within the last 25 years. There was a time when you'd open a PNG, and the default "save" just gave you a flattened PNG. Or maybe it did so but complained about the risk. Either way, it felt off to make XCF default ONCE you specified a file type (either by opening a PNG/JPG/etc.) or trying to save as such once. You've decided you want to save only a final output, not something with the intermediary magic.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by mackrevinack »

gpvos wrote: post #205
throwawaygimp wrote: post #77

Very long time Gimp user, also photoshop user here. Full credit to all the hard working developers on it over the years. You should be proud of what you created. However. Gimp was always just slightly too good, mature, stable and complete, to justify alternative projects. Gimp IMHO is the reason we don't have a layered raster (& vector) editor in 2020 which can hold a candle to Photoshop. There have been attempts, bu…

We have Krita now. I don't know much about it, but it seems to be able to do many of the same things.

only thing I don't understand in krita is the stamp/clone tool so I open glimpse (gimp) if I need to do anything that involves that. otherwise I do everything in krita these days. the interface is nicer, the hotkeys make more sense and I find it easier to work with layers

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by mackrevinack »

something I would love to see added to gimp would be a command palette. a lot of the time I know what it is that I'm looking for but it takes so much menu diving to find it. it would be so much quicker to just open up a search box and find it that way

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by archerx »

BeetleB wrote: post #236
archerx wrote: post #230

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I rather edit my photos in Krita than suffer through gimp any day.

For most photographers, that's the equivalent of "I'd rather have ugly photos than use Gimp." If Krita does what you need, that's fine. But for even basic "serious" photoediting, it's lacking. Krita, as they themselves point out, is a drawing program, not a photo editor.

You make a lot of assumptions. You have never seen my photos yet you feel ok to call them ugly. So much for being objective right?

Keep assuming though, you know what they say about it.

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