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Post by pc86 »

evgen wrote: post #204
wolfretcrap wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Europe didn't get there without its share of troubles and problems. Today as we speak, the people are getting stabbed on the road (Cardiff) and in France islam extremists are responsible for terrorism. It doesn't seem like it will be stay the paradise for long.

For those not in the UK, the pearl-clutching here is about an incident where a bunch of teens had a fight in the 13th largest city in the country and four ended up stabbed. None dead (at the moment) and it is headline news here. I would invite the Americans in the audience to imagine a world where a gang fight that left four kids stabbed in Fort Worth, Tx was national news. Yeah, let me tell you about what a dangerou…

National, no. But four teens getting stabbed in a single incident might very well be news in most of Texas, which is only about half the population of the entire UK, and well over half the population of England proper.

America's a big place.

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Post by codegeek »

dang wrote: post #210
codegeek wrote: post #206

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my most hated "kindly revert back" You have made some great points but stop shitting on Indian English. I don't like it either but you are coming off as an elitist shitting on people who are taught these phrases growing up.

I understand why that bit was provocative but please don't escalate into flamewar. It helps no one and just makes the thread worse. Besides, helmholtz already more or less took it back.

Fair enough dang. I generally try to refrain from this stuff. Could have totally not replied to that post.

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Post by ashleshbiradar »

dang wrote: post #191

All: https://www.forbesindia.com/article/take-one-big-story-of-th... is a bit older and has more background. There was also a smaller thread about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24867212 (Submitted URL was https://nextbigwhat.com/whitehatjr-files-20-cr-defamation-ca... but it contains no extra info. More explanation at bottom of this page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25176990 .)

https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/22/whitehat-jrs-founder-files...

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Post by fareesh »

paledot wrote: post #99
fareesh wrote: post #60

Pathetic. All this dude did was show users their fake ads and fake reviews. He's also showcased reviews where the instructors don't seem to know much about how the internet works. Now the legal system is being used to maliciously prosecute him. There is little hope for this man in India given the level of corruption and rot in the system. If there are well connected folks in the west who want to spend their time on a…

Rarely am I the one to stand up for Google, but the DMCA is such a garbage law that they have no choice. They don't have the legal ability to call bullshit on the takedown. It's the video creator's job under the DMCA to prove themselves innocent, under penalty of perjury. (No such penalty exists for filing a false claim, BTW.)

So hypothetically you are suggesting that someone like Nigel Farage or the Brexit Party could just file DMCA requests against any YouTuber who has made a video critical of them, and YouTube and Reddit would have to suspend the accounts because they're at the mercy of DMCA?

If that were true how come this isn't happening all the time? I know it happens often, but not universally. It seems like this is the easiest way of killing dissent and criticism. How come the folks who have the most criticism levelled against them haven't figured out this tactic if the law is so flawed? How is it that it only happens in some cases but not others? If the law is broken why doesn't everyone exploit it?

I suspect that you are right that DMCA is a flawed law but I think in this particular case there may be more to it than just these companies being at the mercy of a broken law.

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Post by fareesh »

swiley wrote: post #94
fareesh wrote: post #60

Pathetic. All this dude did was show users their fake ads and fake reviews. He's also showcased reviews where the instructors don't seem to know much about how the internet works. Now the legal system is being used to maliciously prosecute him. There is little hope for this man in India given the level of corruption and rot in the system. If there are well connected folks in the west who want to spend their time on a…

This is exactly why so many people freak out about: 1) YouTube being the only place people go to watch videos online 2) These awful DMCA takedown processes.

Big tech has basically monopolized all the attention and all the talent. Some of the smartest people of our time are working on ad delivery platforms, aka propaganda machines.

Not only that, in this case it looks like a big advertiser can just call a senior exec at YouTube and yell at him and magically a channel that's critical of the advertiser will vanish. I'd be very surprised if I'm wrong.

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Post by fareesh »

fareesh wrote: post #60

Pathetic. All this dude did was show users their fake ads and fake reviews. He's also showcased reviews where the instructors don't seem to know much about how the internet works. Now the legal system is being used to maliciously prosecute him. There is little hope for this man in India given the level of corruption and rot in the system. If there are well connected folks in the west who want to spend their time on a…

I can no longer edit my comment - it is intended to say "alleged scam". Posting due to chilling effect.

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Post by jariel »

brabel wrote: post #146
throwaway98797 wrote: post #127

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I could never tease apart the correlation vs. causation. Is it the culture that drives progress or is it progress that drives a civil culture?

I've lived in a poor country and also in a few of the wealthiest nations on Earth. IMHO first you become rich, then once you have time in your hands to actually think about improving things, you do just that. Becoming rich in a corruption-ridden country, however, tends to be next to impossible for the few honest people living in such place... so it's really difficult for enough honest people to become wealthy enough…

"IMHO first you become rich, then once you have time in your hands to actually think about improving things, you do just that."

'rich' -> 'improving things' are the same thing.

Individuals can 'get rich' just by being corrupt.

But a nation generally cannot.

Yes, natural resources will help, but they are never the true basis for progress, because without civility, the wealth generated from the resources will be fleeting.

Domestic consumption is generally the only long-term 'stay rich' strategy and it depends to a high degree on civility.

Saudi Arabia can do as they please and remain rich for a while, but it's not sustainable.

Canada, Australia can get a 'jumpstart' and have a 'cushion' due to natural resources but even then it's not obvious.

Most of Africa is rich in natural resources and they are poor, it's mostly a systematic issue.

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Post by jariel »

vinay_ys wrote: post #141
throwaway98797 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could never tease apart the correlation vs. causation. Is it the culture that drives progress or is it progress that drives a civil culture?

IMO, it is the population and resource density that makes the difference in human behavior. I have seen densely populated, resource stretched cities in the west that will put an Indian city to shame in bad road traffic behavior.

'Population Density' is a civic function, not some random variable.

Like many things, it's a random variable when there is no civic function, but once it exists, then it's part of 'planning' aka 'generating wealth' in whatever terms that means for a group of people.

How does a township with 50% unemployment also have garbage lying about everywhere? The marginal cost of employing people to at least collect is minimal. A town with 50% unemployment is extremely rich in excess labour capacity, they should be able to hire people cheaply.'

Why not? Because social organization is probably abysmal.

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Post by ada1981 »

helmholtz wrote: post #102
pulkitsh1234 wrote: post #59

I have had my personal stint with trying to "expose" an Indian startup (I am an Indian), also coding related which gained some traction on LinkedIn (around 500+ reactions, if they mean anything). This guy is in serious danger, trust me. I had to delete my linkedin post when my ex-manager called me to delete it otherwise the startup's employees will go crazy and try every which way to make my life hell. Unfortunately,…

I'm an Indian abroad. Do it. Come here to Europe. The baseline level of self-awareness in people here is off the scale when you compare it to the typical Indian. People actually queue, instead of creating a melee at every counter. You're never worrying about people cutting you in lines. Cars stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross. No one honks! They nod and smile "bonjour!" as they cross you on the street.…

You could also consider coming to America, but I’m not exactly sure why.

It might be our strip malls, fetish with our slave owning past, white supremest president, anti-science pro-gun culture, or our vast obesity and narcissism.

But somehow in all of that, I still love living here.

The Ultimate Frisbee is great, lots of creative people, and we are starting to decriminalize psychedelics.

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