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Post by ra7 »

helmholtz wrote: post #135
eklavya wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure it will be hard for India to come up to that level if people just keep leaving for greener pastures. Europe didn’t get to be Europe by doing that. Of course it’s your choice to leave, I don’t know it somehow smells bad to my value system, but that’s just my problem. If enough people keep landing in Europe like this, I am pretty sure sooner or later, Europeans will be upset. It’s inevitable and human nature.…

> Europeans will be upset. To an extent, they are. But most of the conversation here seems to be about refugees and asylum seekers rather than legal immigrants. It helps that I'm more than willing to adopt the European way of life: fashion, food, work-life balance and all the rest of it. As to your first point, that was the crux of my post. I no longer care (nor am offended by, mind you!) whether you judge me or not.…

> And I know how much more at peace I am in France. I am a better human because of it; kinder, more useful to society etc.

At the risk of judging you, are you sure you are kinder? You just wrote a paragraph about “the typical Indian” in a fairly condescending tone and how you get upset over trivial things like “Indian English” phrases.

It’s okay to not like the Indian lifestyle, not everyone has to, even if you are Indian. But please give people a chance and be less judgmental in order to actually practice kindness. Kindness isn't selectively applied to the people whose lifestyle you like.

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Post by damnyou »

BonnieBrown wrote: post #139
helmholtz wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an Indian abroad. Do it. Come here to Europe. The baseline level of self-awareness in people here is off the scale when you compare it to the typical Indian. People actually queue, instead of creating a melee at every counter. You're never worrying about people cutting you in lines. Cars stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross. No one honks! They nod and smile "bonjour!" as they cross you on the street.…

I am an American in California working as a Project Manager at a small ~30 person eCommerce "engine" startup. One of my new colleagues on the PM team is a very nice Indian girl and she always says "do the needful" in JIRA tickets and in general email communication. Before she joined the team about 2 months ago I never once in my life heard anyone in America say "do the needful". I am American and have lived here my e…

Not sure exactly what its origins are, but it's standard Indian English. It's a legitimate dialect of English, just like standard American English has its own unique idioms like "grandfathered in" (a term that has extremely racist origins).

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Post by manquer »

BonnieBrown wrote: post #139
helmholtz wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an Indian abroad. Do it. Come here to Europe. The baseline level of self-awareness in people here is off the scale when you compare it to the typical Indian. People actually queue, instead of creating a melee at every counter. You're never worrying about people cutting you in lines. Cars stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross. No one honks! They nod and smile "bonjour!" as they cross you on the street.…

I am an American in California working as a Project Manager at a small ~30 person eCommerce "engine" startup. One of my new colleagues on the PM team is a very nice Indian girl and she always says "do the needful" in JIRA tickets and in general email communication. Before she joined the team about 2 months ago I never once in my life heard anyone in America say "do the needful". I am American and have lived here my e…

It comes partly from the language, bureaucracy uses and expects in communication, given India's socialist history , weak market place pre 92 and strong presence of government owned businesses even today , it likely many of the their parents and grandparents worked in the bureaucracy, so it also learnt and home and also schools are poor at teaching soft skills like written communication or anything which won't help you ace exams and get a job.

It is also partly from workplace culture and what their mentors and bosses did when they were junior, somewhat akin to the polite language you hear in the U.S. South. You can pick up mannerisms easily, when you are not sure what is the right way to behave.

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

BonnieBrown wrote: post #139
helmholtz wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an Indian abroad. Do it. Come here to Europe. The baseline level of self-awareness in people here is off the scale when you compare it to the typical Indian. People actually queue, instead of creating a melee at every counter. You're never worrying about people cutting you in lines. Cars stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross. No one honks! They nod and smile "bonjour!" as they cross you on the street.…

I am an American in California working as a Project Manager at a small ~30 person eCommerce "engine" startup. One of my new colleagues on the PM team is a very nice Indian girl and she always says "do the needful" in JIRA tickets and in general email communication. Before she joined the team about 2 months ago I never once in my life heard anyone in America say "do the needful". I am American and have lived here my e…

Likely of British origin, during the Raj. I can imagine "Kindly do the needful, old chap" scrawled in the margin of an official missive, as it languidly flitted from one administrative table to another.

Many such anachronisms exist; thankfully, they're dying out one by one. A few decades ago (in the last century, to be precise), it wasn't very uncommon for official letters to be signed off with "I remain, Sir, your obedient servant". Later, it was shortened to "yours obediently"; it vanished altogether, thankfully.

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Post by shi314 »

helmholtz wrote: post #135
eklavya wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure it will be hard for India to come up to that level if people just keep leaving for greener pastures. Europe didn’t get to be Europe by doing that. Of course it’s your choice to leave, I don’t know it somehow smells bad to my value system, but that’s just my problem. If enough people keep landing in Europe like this, I am pretty sure sooner or later, Europeans will be upset. It’s inevitable and human nature.…

> Europeans will be upset. To an extent, they are. But most of the conversation here seems to be about refugees and asylum seekers rather than legal immigrants. It helps that I'm more than willing to adopt the European way of life: fashion, food, work-life balance and all the rest of it. As to your first point, that was the crux of my post. I no longer care (nor am offended by, mind you!) whether you judge me or not.…

I don't want to sound rude but mob doesn't differentiate between refugees and legal immigrants.

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Post by chrismorgan »

dang wrote: post #57

Url changed from https://nextbigwhat.com/whitehatjr-files-20-cr-defamation-ca... , which points to this.

I think you may have made a mistake here. The URL is currently https://www.forbesindia.com/article/take-one-big-story-of-th..., which is an article from a month ago (and was discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24867212) that shares some subject matter with the original article here, but has nothing about the lawsuit, which is fresh, so that the title on this post now has very limited connection to the Forbes article being linked to. Perhaps change it back, or to https://twitter.com/whiteHatSnr/status/1330202709203578882 which is what that nextbigwhat.com page does point to?

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

ra7 wrote: post #136
mangamadaiyan wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the phrases themselves, it's (almost always) the context they are used in. They signify babudom at its worst.

It’s used by nearly everyone, not just babus. The memes in fact originate from engineers in India interacting with their international colleagues. In any case, it’s not something worth getting upset about.

You're missing the forest for the trees. Like I said, it's not about the phrases themselves; then again, perhaps we are talking past each other.

I'll just say that your notion of what is worth getting upset about (or not) _might not_ apply to everybody else, and leave it at that :)

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Post by helmholtz »

vinay_ys wrote: post #141
throwaway98797 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could never tease apart the correlation vs. causation. Is it the culture that drives progress or is it progress that drives a civil culture?

IMO, it is the population and resource density that makes the difference in human behavior. I have seen densely populated, resource stretched cities in the west that will put an Indian city to shame in bad road traffic behavior.

And from the other side, there are remote mountain towns in the Himalayas full of some of the kindest, most hospitable people ever. So perhaps being packed like sardines isn't an optimal human state.

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Post by fractalb »

helmholtz wrote: post #102
pulkitsh1234 wrote: post #59

I have had my personal stint with trying to "expose" an Indian startup (I am an Indian), also coding related which gained some traction on LinkedIn (around 500+ reactions, if they mean anything). This guy is in serious danger, trust me. I had to delete my linkedin post when my ex-manager called me to delete it otherwise the startup's employees will go crazy and try every which way to make my life hell. Unfortunately,…

I'm an Indian abroad. Do it. Come here to Europe. The baseline level of self-awareness in people here is off the scale when you compare it to the typical Indian. People actually queue, instead of creating a melee at every counter. You're never worrying about people cutting you in lines. Cars stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross. No one honks! They nod and smile "bonjour!" as they cross you on the street.…

> You'll never hear the words "do the needful" or "prepone" or, my most hated "kindly revert back"!

I don't have issues with the rest of your post, but what is wrong using these Indian English words?

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