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Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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In other news, gen-1 device is good but not perfect yet.

gen-1 device, marketed as gen-... 10 device? bearing the well known name of an established product.

How’s it marketed as a gen 10 device? They didn’t remove the higher tiered macs still running intel in the pros. The airs they blow past their previous versions. MacBook has been the same since power pc. Also has the same non first party issues as the previous on it day zero devices. This is not new for legacy Apple users.

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I have a tangential question. Would there be any technical reason why Apple only released a 13" version of the Macbook pro with the new M1 chip and not any of the larger versions of the Macbook pro or would this likely be a 'refresh schedule" consideration?

I think that the pandemic may have had something to do with the lack of expanding, given that they already had the architecture in place to do 13" MBPs and MBAs. I think that next we will see more of the higher-end 4-port MBPs and/or perhaps with that also the refresh scheduled 14-inch ones.

Interesting yeah that would make sense. The thing that I thought made this all all the more conspicuous was that they are basically launching this at the beginning of the holiday buying season so there's missed opportunity with people who like/want larger format MBPs. Cheers.

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I have a tangential question. Would there be any technical reason why Apple only released a 13" version of the Macbook pro with the new M1 chip and not any of the larger versions of the Macbook pro or would this likely be a 'refresh schedule" consideration?

This is to calm the market. Granted they went for their highest selling macs, so that’s a pretty big sign of confidence. This is also the lowest risk as far as their SoC design goes as nothing in the iOS/iPadOS goes past 16GB. Being able to daisy chain multiple screens or handle eGPUs are more demanding. I suspect March-June well get a few more refreshes and then fall something major.

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TLDR: 5G will replace wifi.

The 5G bulletpoint will become true. Probably sooner than later.

Listening to Horace Dediu (Asymco) alerted me to 5G's impact. (I just didn't care enough, so wasn't paying attention.)

The 5x5 CriticalPath episode recapping the iPhone 12 launch. I don't understand Dediu's analysis well enough to repeat it. But the punchline is Apple put everyone on notice that 5G is the next thing.

The rationale is something about renewed partnerships with carriers, the return of carrier discounts, and giving the 5G guy so much time on the soapbox.

FWIW, I definitely want cell baseband in my future laptops. Using my phone or pad hotspot sucks.

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This review is hilariously bad and biased ("no touchscreen or 5G!"), but the app compatibility is an expected chicken-or-egg issue with early adopters. The point I would make is you have to weigh the app experience in Nov 2020 against your expected experience for the rest of the life of the machine. I know people who've kept Macs running for nearly a decade (e.g. 2011 Macbook Air) and I'd strongly suspect 5 years fro…

Why would a review be biased if they want 5G or a touchscreen in their laptop? Those are features of other laptops. And Apple already ships the technogy to support both.

This is sort of like complaining about the passenger capacity of a 911 or the cornering on a minivan. You expect a review to describe how good something is at being what it intends to be, not how the reviewer prefers an entirely different style.

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A few Pro features Apple could add to the MacBook Pro: ECC, ZFS, function keys Yeah, function keys like on the Air. I don't know anyone who likes the Touch Bar. I'd like to get a Pro but the Air is very very good and I don't find anything that I really value on the Pro. Yes, the Pro is faster than the Air but the Air is fast and faster apparently requires a fan.

Yep, the Touch Bar almost guarantees that I will never spend my own money on a Pro. Which is a shame, since in every other way, I'd prefer it.

I'd probably pay 200 euro extra for a "real pro" edition that changes nothing else except remove the dumb bar.

Come on Apple, take my money. I cannot be the only one who wants this.

(I guess I could just disable the bar in software though, but where's my esc key then...)

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The limitation on just one external monitor at a time beggars belief in a Pro device. App crashes were not reported elsewhere. Aside from some subjective commentary, there's a genuinely different side shown in the review.

I thought maybe you can use two with the lid closed, but looks like that's a nope:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-closed-lid-d...

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A few Pro features Apple could add to the MacBook Pro: ECC, ZFS, function keys Yeah, function keys like on the Air. I don't know anyone who likes the Touch Bar. I'd like to get a Pro but the Air is very very good and I don't find anything that I really value on the Pro. Yes, the Pro is faster than the Air but the Air is fast and faster apparently requires a fan.

Yep, the Touch Bar almost guarantees that I will never spend my own money on a Pro. Which is a shame, since in every other way, I'd prefer it. I'd probably pay 200 euro extra for a "real pro" edition that changes nothing else except remove the dumb bar. Come on Apple, take my money. I cannot be the only one who wants this. (I guess I could just disable the bar in software though, but where's my esc key then...)

There’s a physical escape key.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure I think Outlook is fairly widely used in corp environments, though I’d be surprised to find many such environments who use outlook purchasing or supporting mac laptops for their users. There are cheaper and perfectly capable windows machines for office work. So it is an unusual choice on an Apple laptop, but also I expect it to be supported in time, and it is unsurprising that it is not amongst the first apps po…

Plenty of companies have a mix of Mac and Windows. The last company I worked for had a mix of Windows & Mac devices, and everyone got the office suite on it (including Outlook). Additionally, my current company is a small business that runs on Windows computers and the office suite, however I have installed Outlook on my personal Mac as a single licenced user can install it on 5 devices, and use it for answering work…

There are a lot of alternatives to the MS Outlook binary though in a mixed environment, as your use of iPad and iPhone shows, and most mac users will be using those as opposed to the actual outlook app. There is a web version (increasingly popular amongst corporate users), and mail.app supports outlook accounts as does the ios version of mail.app.

Perhaps some users prefer outlook.app on their mac, which is fine, and I'm sure it'll come with time, but it's hardly a deal breaker for most people who have chosen MacOS, and none of those alternatives require the outlook app itself from MS which is what this article is talking about.

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TLDR: 5G will replace wifi. The 5G bulletpoint will become true. Probably sooner than later. Listening to Horace Dediu (Asymco) alerted me to 5G's impact. (I just didn't care enough, so wasn't paying attention.) The 5x5 CriticalPath episode recapping the iPhone 12 launch. I don't understand Dediu's analysis well enough to repeat it. But the punchline is Apple put everyone on notice that 5G is the next thing. The rati…

unless i can somehow set up a 5g local network, i don't see how this is true? there's got to be a million if not a billion wifi networks for various different applications (like gopros). i have nothing that speaks 5g yet, no use-case for it, and even if i did, no meaningful coverage. carriers might be hyping it, but it doesn't make it so.

DSL is still a thing in some places. 1gig ethernet, 2.4 GHz wifi, and various other "old" protocols are still widely used. this will not change quickly, because they work. 5g currently doesn't.

maybe this will improve in the next 5 years, but who knows if there isn't something better then? i don't even buy the premise that equipment with a current 5g modem is future-proof. this is what happens when technology becomes a marketing tool, and not something that solves a genuine problem (or the biggest problem i currently face).

maybe it'd be different if i lived in a country with poor internet infrastructure, with 5g being my only hope for decent speeds? but even that is more of a prayer, because if decent wired internet doesn't exist, will decent 5g coverage exist? (by that i mean coverage with meaningfully faster speed and latency than LTE, with a choice of providers for competition?)

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