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Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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Sounds like new-speak: censorship is privacy.

If you're alluding to the "war is peace, freedom is slavery" forumulation then I don't think it quite fits. Censorship and privacy aren't opposites and I would probably argue they are largely independent or even orthogonal.

The third part of Orwell’s original formulation is “ignorance is strength” which is not a pair of opposites either. “Weakness is strength” or “ignorance is wisdom” would be more accurate pairings.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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Facebook (and other too big to fail companies) should be split. Facebook Ad company should be independent from Facebook and should have access to the platform on the same terms any other ad company could have access with all respect to privacy. Currently Facebook has a conflict of interest between the social media platform and ad business. We never have seen this before and this needs to be urgently regulated. The same with Google - their ad business has to be decoupled from search and ad company shouldn't have any access to personal data. Google search and Facebook should be forbidden by law to store personal data in a manner that does meet interest of advertising or other types of surveillance.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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For once, can we have articles (or even opinion pieces) which try to explain the context and position of both sides rather than pieces such as these. These kind of writings do nothing to change the mind of anyone. For someone who hates FB and its practices, they reinforce the already held belief. And for those, who are skeptical of such media articles, they would be put off by the language used. And make no mistake,…

The plug-in is open sourced: https://github.com/OnlinePoliticalTransparency/social-media-... You can download a release straight from there and import it into your browser. Browsers also do some reviews of the plugins that are in their stores, so every update should be tested by both Google and Mozilla (even if only superficially). I'd say the odds of them managing to pull off scraping anything else without anyone no…

Thanks for the link. I agree odds would be slim, but this can potentially set a precedent for others to do similar things. Imagine, in the future, a new company comes up with similar add-in claiming to scan ads, and take more data than needed. Facebook needs to be careful of that too. (though i think that is not the reason they are shutting this down, just that privacy is favorable to them in this case :)). There has to be a better way to do this, and that needs serious discussion.

Also, as an aside, the add-in records the following things: country, age, gender, language etc. and the text of the ad. Not so clear what happens when ads have personal info (or friends' names) attached like xyz likes page. Payload seems to suggest they take every bit of info so it could include that as well maybe.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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I have recently started supporting a ban on targeted advertising. Dividing people into cultural bubbles and being able to spend unlimited dollars on it is dangerous if we are to maintain cultural unity and be able to agree on facts. Also, when your advertising is not public and only visible to subsections of people, it is more difficult to investigate what is going on. Facebook can do it themselves, but do we want to…

This is a great idea. Transparency is the real blocker here. On the other end, maybe idealistic / political advertisers need to register their content and spending in a public ledger.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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For once, can we have articles (or even opinion pieces) which try to explain the context and position of both sides rather than pieces such as these. These kind of writings do nothing to change the mind of anyone. For someone who hates FB and its practices, they reinforce the already held belief. And for those, who are skeptical of such media articles, they would be put off by the language used. And make no mistake,…

> isnt that close to how Cambridge Analytica happened? Yes, its exactly this. "Facebook changes based on past scandal for the better, and this is bad. here is my 9th grade essay with no research just feeling" Facebook _should_ be held to account. I personally don't think that the advertising is actually that much of a problem. It all has paper trails because they have to pay. Advertising is not the worst part of face…

Isn't how human nature works? Exceptions, greed, gossip, deception? You can't leave that to a company to enforce with T&C.

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I have recently started supporting a ban on targeted advertising. Dividing people into cultural bubbles and being able to spend unlimited dollars on it is dangerous if we are to maintain cultural unity and be able to agree on facts. Also, when your advertising is not public and only visible to subsections of people, it is more difficult to investigate what is going on. Facebook can do it themselves, but do we want to…

Since that'll never happen without toppling the money printing machines of several of the world's most powerful companies, I'd like to repeat an idea that I once heard - A publicly available clearinghouse of all targeted ads published via a service so that researchers can find out - Every ad published - What targeting parameters were used, other basic data about the ad - How many impressions the ad received - How man…

agreed to an extend, I simply feel that any idealistic / political advertiser needs to be in some sort of public ledger. The real blocker is transparency.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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I wonder if NYU business school prof Scott Galloway @profgalloway is going to weigh in on this issue. NYU is by no means powerless.

We can guess that FB employs a full-time proactive crisis management public relations team. Why? To help guess what they can get away with. But they may have underestimated NYU as an opponent.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plug-in is open sourced: https://github.com/OnlinePoliticalTransparency/social-media-... You can download a release straight from there and import it into your browser. Browsers also do some reviews of the plugins that are in their stores, so every update should be tested by both Google and Mozilla (even if only superficially). I'd say the odds of them managing to pull off scraping anything else without anyone no…

with respect, thats not the issue. With facebook they only collect "limited" information. Its what they do with it afterwards that matter. How is it stored, is it secure, how do they anonymise it, who has access to the raw data, what happens when there is a break, is there monitoring, etc etc etc. They are making a massive honey pot, and we just have to trust them that they are doing good job. (much like facebook....…

Facebook doesn't have the greatest security track record. While it wouldn't be productive to argue that one group is inherently more trustworthy than the other it's worth pointing out (as others already have) that the code is available to the public.

Re: Facebook Is Going After Its Critics in the Name of Privacy

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For once, can we have articles (or even opinion pieces) which try to explain the context and position of both sides rather than pieces such as these. These kind of writings do nothing to change the mind of anyone. For someone who hates FB and its practices, they reinforce the already held belief. And for those, who are skeptical of such media articles, they would be put off by the language used. And make no mistake,…

Isn't(technically speaking) the addon taking data only from the users PC and not from facebook servers? At the end of the day it shouldn't be facebook's call what goes on the user's device. One thing about these addons is that you can actually take them apart and see what is going on if you don't trust that the addon is built from their github code.

I do think that users opting in is an insufficient response. A lot of users opt in for things they do not understand. (Terms and conditions of any site or app for example). For tech savvy users with the plug in, they will be smart enough to know what they are accepting, though that is not true for everyone.

I like the idea of open source code and that is helpful but there is got to be a better way. And I also believe that the research like this should be supported. All things aside, we can arrive at solutions without the need of an article like this which neither poses such questions, nor provides context.

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