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Gimp is 25 years old today

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Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by prokoudine »

ThePadawan wrote: post #103
tartoran wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gimp has script fu / python / scheme. It is quite capable of automating and generating images. Gimp is the kind of software you may hate at first but then start to love it for how extensible friendly it is.

I tried to automate a simple workflow (resize, reduce color to grayscale) using GIMP just last week. I would want to run this on ~100 files in a folder. This takes a few lines of calls to imagemagick/gm or ~10 lines of python + Pillow. Do you have any resources how to do this in GIMP? After googling for a good while, I could not for the life of me figure out how to even get started with this. I don't want to write an…

BIMP plugin for GIMP

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by corty »

CharlesW wrote: post #25
neolog wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't realistically use an app called "GIMP" at work even if I was personally comfortable with it. What kind of work do you do?

I work at a technology company that knows what apps people run on their computers, but even if I didn't I would no more use an app called "GIMP" than I would one called "FAG". The name is pretty offensive IMHO.

all the ball bearings in my car have FAG written on them. My car runs on FAGs. Get over it...

To me this kind of discussion always sounds like americans are all a bunch of school teachers trying to prevent their bunch of 10year-olds from giggling. Which, when applied to adults, is a very childish thing to do...

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by berkes »

blt wrote: post #81

I am glad non-destructive editing is on the roadmap. Hopefully we'll have it within the next 25 years. Photoshop had adjustment layers in 1996.

Gimp has adjustment layers. I've used them often.

Do I maybe misunderstand you?

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by kazinator »

usrusr wrote: post #41
jes5199 wrote: post #14

GIMP is such a strange tool. I actually have used it, semi-frequently - since the 90s! The overall experience of using it has only changed a little in that time. And it gets the job done. I guess that makes it successful! What else has been so stable? But of all the software I have ever used, GIMP is the most difficult to learn. I memorized a few tutorials, this must have been around Y2K, to do the a couple things. A…

Quite similar situation here: it's the tool that I know but that I will never master. I'm not bothered much by the UI though, it gets the job done well enough for the occasional pixel task. What I mind much more is the atrocious startup time (might be a peculiarity of wingimp)

It's starting in about 3 seconds for me, on a laggardly 2013-vintage Core i5 CPU, 32 GB RAM, Windows 10.

I know what you're talking about; historically there used to be a long pause in the startup progress bar of the Windows verison, stuck on scanning system fonts or something. But I don't see that in the current version (2.10.22).

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by prokoudine »

gorgoiler wrote: post #57
jes5199 wrote: post #14

GIMP is such a strange tool. I actually have used it, semi-frequently - since the 90s! The overall experience of using it has only changed a little in that time. And it gets the job done. I guess that makes it successful! What else has been so stable? But of all the software I have ever used, GIMP is the most difficult to learn. I memorized a few tutorials, this must have been around Y2K, to do the a couple things. A…

Adding a second UI to the codebase (with a friendlier, less conflict inducing name) would be a fantastic addition to the project. Something along the lines of a cooperative fork, I suppose, focused on exposing a minimal set of features but keeping the underlying image processing models. Fewer buttons. Distilled UI. Having a single rapid workflow for saving an edited PNG. [...and this is almost exactly what Glimpse is…

Glimpse is GIMP minus one brush, one menu item, and GIMP branding, plus Photoshop shortcuts, plus a few popular plugins. That is all it is at the moment.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by berkes »

lionkor wrote: post #78
mushbino wrote: post #56

Is it possible to contribute to the user experience of GIMP? I've tried GIMP a number of times over the past 20 years and it's just totally illogical, imo. It would be great to have an open source alternative to an Adobe product that was more well thought through.

I dont know for sure, but I would expect this project to be run like vim - any drastic or useful UX changes lead to you getting told off. But I'm not sure, it could also be that in 25 years nobody ever tried to change the UI/UX.

That is snobbish, disingenuous and quite untrue.

Vim community can be very friendly and open. Vim is fully scriptable and there's plugins for literally anything you can think of.

Core is conservative, but changes are made, all with backwards compatibility up front.

And it comes over as a snobbish, generalised 'look at those nerds, they have no idea how to build software, let alone listen to me who knows exactly how it should be done'.

Who hurt you at vim, or in the opensource community that you feel you have to be so haughtily towards them?

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by prokoudine »

cs02rm0 wrote: post #82

For me it's a case of being the worst open source image editor, except for all the others. The scripts always seem broken, the UI was a mess for a while on a Mac. The multi windowed system was great if the windowing manager expected that sort of thing and terrible otherwise. Ufraw integration seems an awful way of getting to edit raw files and I go years at a time without being able to get it working on a Mac. But it…

Your experience from 10-15 years ago is kinda irrelevant today :)

No multiple windows, darktable or RawTherapee rather than UFRaw etc.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by kazinator »

berkes wrote: post #116
lionkor wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont know for sure, but I would expect this project to be run like vim - any drastic or useful UX changes lead to you getting told off. But I'm not sure, it could also be that in 25 years nobody ever tried to change the UI/UX.

That is snobbish, disingenuous and quite untrue. Vim community can be very friendly and open. Vim is fully scriptable and there's plugins for literally anything you can think of. Core is conservative, but changes are made, all with backwards compatibility up front. And it comes over as a snobbish, generalised 'look at those nerds, they have no idea how to build software, let alone listen to me who knows exactly how i…

I am not lionkor, but I found the Vim community fairly dismissive when I reported the issue that Vim, executed in a Unix TTY session, annoyingly drops typeahead characters from the TTY characters, randomly causing your first command to be corrupted.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by herbst »

shawnz wrote: post #34
jes5199 wrote: post #14

GIMP is such a strange tool. I actually have used it, semi-frequently - since the 90s! The overall experience of using it has only changed a little in that time. And it gets the job done. I guess that makes it successful! What else has been so stable? But of all the software I have ever used, GIMP is the most difficult to learn. I memorized a few tutorials, this must have been around Y2K, to do the a couple things. A…

As a counterpoint I often hear people make this argument but I've never found that to be the case. I find Gimp to have a simple interface in which it's easy to find all the features. However I never used Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. I have found that people who cut their teeth on Photoshop seem to consistently find the Gimp UI confusing.

I too used and liked Gimp ever since. I was forced to use the adobe stack for a while and never managed liking it, it still feels like a huge blackbox to me.

IMO not everyone is made for (or rather trained to) understand and use overly complex uis.

Re: Gimp is 25 years old today

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Post by mkl »

ThePadawan wrote: post #103
tartoran wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gimp has script fu / python / scheme. It is quite capable of automating and generating images. Gimp is the kind of software you may hate at first but then start to love it for how extensible friendly it is.

I tried to automate a simple workflow (resize, reduce color to grayscale) using GIMP just last week. I would want to run this on ~100 files in a folder. This takes a few lines of calls to imagemagick/gm or ~10 lines of python + Pillow. Do you have any resources how to do this in GIMP? After googling for a good while, I could not for the life of me figure out how to even get started with this. I don't want to write an…

Why do you want to do it in GIMP? I like and use GIMP, but imagemagick sounds like the right tool for the job, and what I'd use there. For almost any batch processing, Python or bash-scripted imagemagick gets the job done. If you need some complex feature of a GIMP plugin, that's another story.
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