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I Miss Working from the Office

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Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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> I miss casual collaboration. Video chat is a poor substitute

I think the opposite - online collaboration is always more productive, we can share documents easily, there is more focus, i can ignore parts of it, multitask etc. And the fact that you can have international people at will makes them superior.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When someone of greater rank than me in an inconvenient time zone wants to have a meeting with me involved, I have to attend. I’ve practically lost all my mornings from 6am - 9am, 3-4 days a week. I don’t understand this situation. If this happens I reject the meeting invite, and later see it rescheduled (if my attendance was mandatory). Is there a different way this happens?

Exactly, this is farcical. How did you handle the 6am meetings before COVID?

I'm guessing the superior may not have been in a different time zone before COVID.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

#133

Yes. Some people on the internet were also advocating for a return to the office because people could not stand the loneliness anymore and need to interact socially. I had to point out that this was symptomatic of a poor social/family life [outside of work]. If someone is lonely working remotely and they miss humans, it is a sign the only humans they interacted with were colleagues. It's also a sign of what the perso…

I don’t follow. Why should where I spend the majority of my waking hours, the majority of my life in practical terms, not also be my primary source of socialization?

I genuinely feel the opposite. Relying on your few off hours to satisfy your innate human need for socialization places an unhealthy demand on your off hours, not to mention an unfair demand on your friends and family.

I am now forced to spend 8 hours a day in my home office not speaking to anyone other than Slack and the occasional Zoom and the loneliness is somehow my fault for not having an active enough social life to counteract this? What about rest and reflection?

This is an infuriating argument. Humans were never intended to spend so much time alone, we’re social animals.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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It seems that what he misses most is socialisation. This seems to me the root of the great divide in these discussions, some people love socialising, others not so much. I have read anti-office posts claiming the opposite of what he says: they feel more productive because they can focus on their job without people bothering them. Age seems to be a factor too. Married couples don't need so much socialisation (although…

Probably a lot of people don't have a partner or kids to socialize with, other socializing venus are often cut off right now as well so they are slowly going insane in their non existant home office.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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I think that what isn't discussed enough is the variance in quality of your office environment and of your home office and how that quality affects your preferences about working from home. It sounds quite obvious but in these arguments people often just state what they personally like and leave it at that. Your office can be place where you still have the option to work uninterrupted but also get the benefits of fac…

That's a well reasoned comment.

I'm 'of that age' where I have a large-ish house, and hence a large, well equipped study. I don't much like my work office. It's on the top end of 'good': spacious, well equipped, light, modern, free snacks, etc. But... and it's a big but, it's open plan. And noisy. With people eating at their desks, talking, interrupting you and so on.

But I still miss it. The last nine months has taught me that whilst I work fine from home, I thought I'd be completely happy like that, but I'm not. And I'm surprised by that. I want to go back to the office, but not for 9-5, 5 days a week. Once a week will be fine.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

#136

Thing I miss are: * Having someone clean my works space. My house gets dirtier now and I’m forever cleaning it, doing dishes. * The distinction between the beginning and end of my work day. * Having free space in my house. * Off the cuff dinner and drinks with colleagues. * No lag meetings and whiteboard sessions. * Having intervals apart from my family actually felt healthy, although we have adapted to being around…

>The distinction between the beginning and end of my work day. Just log off at 5pm or 4pm or whenever you have done your contracted working hours. I rarely end up in a meeting which goes over my usual working hours. But otherwise I just log off. I don't understand how someone can work longer hours unwillingly when it's entirely in your control. I guess it depends on how your remote working is implemented. For me I re…

> I don't understand how someone can work longer hours unwillingly when it's entirely in your control.

I have that situation, but without the 'unwilling' part. In the office, I have often the situation "Gosh, I'd love to finish this, but if I don't catch the next train I have to wait another half hour for the next one", which automatically makes me stop work at fixed times.

Sure, I could also just stop at the same time at home, but ultimately I always end up working longer hours. Same in the morning; having to catch a train is really something that forces me to hit certain timings; when working from home, staying in bed just a little longer doesn't make me miss any trains.

It's a silly problem and could easily be overcome with enough willpower, but it requires the willpower where otherwise there are already external factors in place that soft-force me to start/stop work.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Before covid my life revolved around a cycling group, hiking groups, two running clubs. Now it's all be taken away.

You can’t go hiking where you live? Hiking is a very low risk activity.

This is a discussion about socializing. A hike and a hiking group are different things. BTW, need to find a hiking group post COVID, that sounds like fun.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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post #48

I think that what isn't discussed enough is the variance in quality of your office environment and of your home office and how that quality affects your preferences about working from home. It sounds quite obvious but in these arguments people often just state what they personally like and leave it at that. Your office can be place where you still have the option to work uninterrupted but also get the benefits of fac…

Sure, I was once working at a job and had the perfect office. Awesome setup, one room for me, fun colleagues, good eating options. Unfortunately in the middle of nowhere and career progression counted in decades not years. It's all about tradeoffs. The likelihood to get it all is quite low though, also considering real estate prices.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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post #48

I think that what isn't discussed enough is the variance in quality of your office environment and of your home office and how that quality affects your preferences about working from home. It sounds quite obvious but in these arguments people often just state what they personally like and leave it at that. Your office can be place where you still have the option to work uninterrupted but also get the benefits of fac…

I think you have the wrong understanding. There are plenty of reasons one can prefer to work at the office instead of remotely. It is not because you like it, that anyone is liking it. We are all humans we are different.

This article is an opinion piece, and judging by how many people are upvoting it, it seems like it resonate with a lot of people. The same way a remote post blog will also attract tons of upvote.

There are no best setup for everyone, there is a different best setup for each one of us.

Re: I Miss Working from the Office

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The biggest one for is, as mentioned in the article: casuasl collaboration. I mis being able to just walk over to a coworker. I’m just home every other week, which strikes a reasonable balance for me.

It is ok. People like you are the worst. Most of those interruptions would have been avoided if you can just learn to use the search function in you mail client and Google.

That makes me a little sad... Well not really, I'm the one who gets interrupted, but sure if allowing myself to be interrupted, in order to help my co-workers, makes me "the worst", then sure.

If a 10 minute interruption saves my co-workers hours of frustration, then I personally think it's worth it.

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