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I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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Whether you agree or not, it's incorrect. Common usage of "bricked" has been one thing and not the other for many years.

If you claimed to have bricked something a hundred years ago everyone would expect a wall. Meanings change.

You're illustrating a chance in context, not a change in meaning.

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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I learnt to program on the ZXSpectrum with "Write Your Own Adventure Programs for Your Microcomputer" [0] The RPi400 with Pico-8 seems to tick the same boxes, so I got one for my 10yr old. He's loving it. Perfect use case. [0] https://colorcomputerarchive.com/repo/Documents/Books/Write%...

I wish there was a bare metal option that boots RPI 400 into a BASIC or Python interpreter the way the 8 bit machines used to

RISC OS Pico boots straight into BBC Basic:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181109020203/https://www.risco...

(IA link as it's been removed from the site, but the installer is still available via IA).

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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I learnt to program on the ZXSpectrum with "Write Your Own Adventure Programs for Your Microcomputer" [0] The RPi400 with Pico-8 seems to tick the same boxes, so I got one for my 10yr old. He's loving it. Perfect use case. [0] https://colorcomputerarchive.com/repo/Documents/Books/Write%...

I wish there was a bare metal option that boots RPI 400 into a BASIC or Python interpreter the way the 8 bit machines used to

The Pi OS comes with Python installed, the pygame libraries, a bunch of games written in Python and of course the source code so you can modify them and create your own.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/python/READM...

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/python-games...

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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> The term arose because a brick cannot be transformed into functioning electronic equipment. This makes term "bricked" somewhat theoretical, as in practice almost any state of electronics can be turned back to functioning. In extreme cases you'll have to replace vital parts (if imagination forbids actually fixing broken microchips with a lab equipment), but in many cases it's still possible.

You're essentially using a sorites paradox / Ship of Theseus argument to attack the idea that a piece of electronics can ever, even in principle, be said to be 'permanently broken'. In common usage, we consider 'permanently broken' to be meaningful, we draw the line somewhere reasonable, and don't worry too much about giving a legalistic precise definition. I think my earlier examples stand up ok here. The phone is b…

I think we'd agree that term "bricked" is somewhat relative. Different people can define it - slightly or not - differently, which of course makes communications more difficult, yet for now that's where we are. The point was that the original nitpick can be questioned.

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Skype is not possible at this time. I tried 32 and 64 bit OS images, Chromium and Firefox. All are browser not supported, or it works but then doesn't make any attempt to use the webcam or a microphone (even the setup menu entry for this is missing). This being a web app, it could of course change any time. The other stuff that I tried - Zoom and Google Hangouts - worked, just not fast enough for good frame rate. A m…

> This explains the cost, but why are they supposed to be more buggy? Should you have time to test those individually if there's just a small number of them?

I had to set my user agent to Windows/Edge to make it work in Firefox. However, I can't remember if the audio/video worked.

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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I understand why the Raspberry Pi uses SD cards (cost, simplicity, ease of use) but the entire line would be so much more useful with onboard eMMC storage. SD cards are great for keeping cost down and getting started quickly by flashing OS images from a PC. However, enthusiasts spend so much time fiddling with external storage options and cobbling together messes of powered USB hubs, cables, external enclosures, and…

The eMMC submodule works just as well as a SD card when writing it on another system, the submodule plugs into a small PCB with SD card traces on one end, you then plug the whole lot into a SD card slot.

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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I've been looking at either the pi 400 or or one of the pi 4 starter kits. For around the same price as the 400, I can get the 8GB pi and a full kit of accessories. But, I really like the idea of having everything just built into the keyboard. In your experience was the 4GB of RAM on the 400 reasonable? Ever since the 400 popped up on here i've been looking into both of them. I just worry the 400 lacks more long term…

1. The 400 is faster than the 4 OOTB, and can be overclocked easily. 2. The 400 runs much cooler. 3. 4GB is plenty ;)

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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Sounds like a neat bit of kit. For anyone unfamiliar, it's essentially an ARM-powered PC, in the form factor of a keyboard. [0] > I was able to unbrick it I know it's a nitpick, but if it can be repaired, it's not bricked. [0] https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400-unit/

Do we really have to have the “bricked is relative” argument again? Edit: To be more constructive, how about a definition for “bricked” as “unable to be recovered by the intended users of the device through reasonably expected efforts.”

Maybe extend your definition to include "... with the tools available to them", something may be recoverable with a JTAG programmer.

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you claimed to have bricked something a hundred years ago everyone would expect a wall. Meanings change.

You're illustrating a chance in context, not a change in meaning.

Does this not assume that ‘bricked’ means walled out and entry is blocked?

The word appears to originate from the idea that a device has been turned into a brick. This seems a new meaning to me, as ‘bricked’ isn’t a word that previously meant ‘to turn the thing into a brick’.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/488450/etymology...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(electronics)

Re: I've now played with a Raspberry Pi 400 for a week and here are my conclusions

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From recent usage of the term 'bricked' here on HN I think those of us who consider bricking to at least require use of JTAG to alleviate to have lost the battle.

I suspect few people on HN have truly experienced a "bricked" device in their lifetime. To you and me: Static electricity from the carpet discharging into the joystick port of a Commodore 64? Bricked. Yanked a cable from my Raspberry Pi and had to reboot in an unconventional manner? Not bricked.

I thought the same thing about an earlier post when someone said their MacBook Pro with a T2 chip was bricked. Something messed up and they had to use a special boot procedure while they were connected to another Mac to reflash the T2.

People were up arms but I call not bricked!

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