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HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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Looks like they might be able to make the HomePod useful before it's available in Europe.

They would need a time machine too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePod I wonder if jailbroken homepod would still do the audio enhancements on the fly with, let's say, spotify. Or the detection of commands in google assistant even while playing music very loud.

Spotify doesn't currently support HomePod, which is really annoying since the HomePod Mini looks awesome.

You can vote for HomePod support on Spotify's community site:

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/iOS-Implement-Na...

Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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Does anyone know why it's not available yet? I'm in Denmark, and while Siri on Watch and iPhone speak Danish, apparently if I buy a HomePod, it'll only work in English.

It looks like it's available in countries that have support for apple's speech to text: https://www.apple.com/ios/feature-availability/#siri-neural-... Kinda sucks. Here in Poland there's no siri in polish. I'd wish apple would give users an option to mark "yeah, I can handle english, sell me the damn device". Same with upcoming fitness service.

Not available in New Zealand.

Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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You seriously can't do that on a vanilla homepod? Seems like the most basic feature every bluetooth speaker has. Re: the delay, usually for videos the computer will compensate by delaying the video playback to match the speakers.

Which makes this jailbreak somewhat moot, for now at least. It makes more sense to buy an inexpensive Bluetooth speaker rather than risk bricking your $300 Homepod that has no data port

I'm so tempted to jump into the Apple ecosystem, but things like this make it really, really hard. If I buy a $300 speaker I shouldn't need a second, shittier speaker.

Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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Jailbreaking DOES break the security model though. Its literally performed to "break the jail". It takes a locked down system and removes the locks, resulting in a system that is more open; to yourself and an attacker alike.

Jailbreaking uses vulnerabilitities, but doesn't (by itself, of course it allows the user to) introduce any. It even allows you to patch the vulnerability behind you before Apple does officially (see JailbreakMe, 3.0 IIRC).

My understanding, though I'm not sure, is that a "traditional" jailbreak (installing Cydia and such) allows all apps to read/write from the full file system.

Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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Jailbreaking DOES break the security model though. Its literally performed to "break the jail". It takes a locked down system and removes the locks, resulting in a system that is more open; to yourself and an attacker alike.

Jailbreaking uses vulnerabilitities, but doesn't (by itself, of course it allows the user to) introduce any. It even allows you to patch the vulnerability behind you before Apple does officially (see JailbreakMe, 3.0 IIRC).

>Jailbreaking uses vulnerabilitities, but doesn't (by itself, of course it allows the user to) introduce any.

What? The entire point of jailbreaking is to leverage specific kinds of vulnerabilities, often only exploitable via physical access (a tether and DFU mode is typical), in order to root the system so that afterwards other stuff can be done with it more conveniently. Sometimes this even necessitates further security compromises. To use checkra1n itself as an example, last I checked in order to use it on A11 devices (iPhone 8/8+/X) with iOS 14 you must give up on using any passcode on the device via the "Skip A11 BPR Check" option.

It's certainly worthy to note that none of this should inherently be necessary. Apple could offer power users the option to load their own root certificate alongside Apple's, and then sign and run things with the full iOS technical security model from there. Apple is mixing business desire with security desire. Further, many of the threat vectors introduced by jailbreaking are ultimately the same we deal with on the PC, so they're "new to an iDevice" but something technical users can often mitigate. And it can even offer new security options sometimes to go along with it too!

But none of that means that jailbreaking isn't introducing new threat vectors to the system. It is. It's just that it's often worth it to many of us given the alternatives is all.

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It looks like it's available in countries that have support for apple's speech to text: https://www.apple.com/ios/feature-availability/#siri-neural-... Kinda sucks. Here in Poland there's no siri in polish. I'd wish apple would give users an option to mark "yeah, I can handle english, sell me the damn device". Same with upcoming fitness service.

Not available here in Ireland though. A predominantly english speaking nation.

Oh, but that would EN-GB, which has nearly no similarities to EN-US. No way Apple can sell you a HomePod that would tell you to bring an "umbrella" because it is going to rain today. Though I imagine Apple is more worried about localizing the electrical plug than they are about what to call the large, wheeled vehicles used to haul cargo.

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I'm guessing being able to send any audio stream, for example your computer audio, so you can use Spotify or anything playing at your computer. Someone did this without the need of jailbreak for Sonos speakers, although it has some delay so was not good for movies or games.

You seriously can't do that on a vanilla homepod? Seems like the most basic feature every bluetooth speaker has. Re: the delay, usually for videos the computer will compensate by delaying the video playback to match the speakers.

Yep, seriously, I was shocked too when buying my first (and last) Sonos, there was a list of apps, and a list of FM stations that worked with the Sonos app, and some had arbitrary restrictions like Spotify needing premium account.

I don't own an Apple HomePod, but I'm assuming the situation is similar because I read Spotify is not supported yet. If that's the case "The speakers of the house."[1] slogan might be miss-leading for many customer that expect bluetooth speaker behaviour or a jack input to play whatever you want in "your" speakers.

[1] https://www.apple.com/homepod/

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I hope this leads to some way besides Airplay to play arbitrary audio with no delay. If Apple had just included support for Bluetooth audio (or God forbid, an aux jack) I would've bought two full-sized Homepods to use as computer speakers two months ago.

What's the trouble with buying any of the competition, if you want those features?

You can get a Klipsch R51 PM for quite a bit less than the price of two HomePods. Better audio, Bluetooth, aux, optical, USB, even phono pre-amp in case you have a turntable.

Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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Which makes this jailbreak somewhat moot, for now at least. It makes more sense to buy an inexpensive Bluetooth speaker rather than risk bricking your $300 Homepod that has no data port

I'm so tempted to jump into the Apple ecosystem, but things like this make it really, really hard. If I buy a $300 speaker I shouldn't need a second, shittier speaker.

Yes, once again then convenience of this tight integrations comes with the loss of freedom. I guess the goal is to increase subscriptions to Apple Music at the expense of losing fewer more "demanding" users.

I wonder if there would be a case for enforcing companies that use the word "speaker" in their products to allow customers to play whatever they want via bluetooth or jack input.

Re: HomePod has been jailbroken with checkra1n

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That it is necessary to jailbreak consumer devices is grotesque. I can totally understand that a car has a software / OS that is locked down. But a consumer device? - Apple is slowly moving the whole industry in a direction where in a couple of decades we can use electronic devices only in a way that the producer wants it to be used. Locking up systems, not allowing departure in any way, taking each and every freedom to tinker with devices we own: despicable.

Edit: I absolutely hate Apple‘s vision for computing devices. Don‘t tell me it‘s good for my grandma because she can‘t mess up with her computer. You can build machines that are both easy to use and give us the freedom to do whatever we want to do with them. Extend them, change them, hack them, open them up, change parts, install other OSes, and whatnot.

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