French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

I don't know if Chloroquine is effective on COVID 19, but I know that it's comically cheap and people took it for years against malaria without side effects. So at worse it's a placebo.

On the other hand there's Remdesivir that's astronomically expensive, destroys kidneys and hasn't any effectiveness against COVID (even the OMS says so). But it's still the recommended treatment in France since they forbid the chloroquine treatment.

Color me skeptical about their motivations but all the big proponents of Remdesivir have financial links with Gilead.

Re: French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

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Post by rq1 » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 1:30 PM UTC

Didier Raoult is one of the brightest scientists in the world. Period.

There’s no “major” flaw in his studies as people keep repeating.

He was studying viral load in patients and excluded those who were in ICU because they did not have enough virus left.

Thus suggesting his cocktail as an early treatment.

There is indeed pseudoscientists and corrupt ones who published the famous now but ridiculous study in “the lancet” and who promote remdesivir.

Edit: https://c19study.com/

Re: French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

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Post by singemonkey » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 1:32 PM UTC

rq1 wrote: post #5

Didier Raoult is one of the brightest scientists in the world. Period. There’s no “major” flaw in his studies as people keep repeating. He was studying viral load in patients and excluded those who were in ICU because they did not have enough virus left. Thus suggesting his cocktail as an early treatment. There is indeed pseudoscientists and corrupt ones who published the famous now but ridiculous study in “the lance…

I genuinely feel sorry for you. I have no idea what it's like to be so disconnected from reality, but I hope you find your way back one day.

(Downvotes = proof I am right. Period)

Re: French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 1:33 PM UTC

tomohawk wrote: post #3

This is really counter productive and snarky. How does this advance science? There have been multiple studies on this, and it has been a mixed bag. This one is positive: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32418114/ There are others that are positive, and still others that are negative.

This award isn't about those other studies, it's about his choice to over-egg his research.

> Subsequent analysis of Raoult’s data found that his sample size was incredibly small, with only 6 patients given the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination. The study was also found to be improperly controlled, and data was excluded for a number of patients whose condition worsened as they were either transferred to intensive care, or died. Subsequent studies have shown no clinical benefit for the use of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19.

> After Raoult’s study inspired a surge of interest in the use of hydroxychloroquine, [...]

His not very good research caused huge amounts of interest in hydroxychloroquine and distracted attention from other, far more beneficial, treatment.

Re: French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

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Post by creuset » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 1:34 PM UTC

jmnicolas wrote: post #4

There's a media war on Raoult in France. I don't know if Chloroquine is effective on COVID 19, but I know that it's comically cheap and people took it for years against malaria without side effects. So at worse it's a placebo. On the other hand there's Remdesivir that's astronomically expensive, destroys kidneys and hasn't any effectiveness against COVID (even the OMS says so). But it's still the recommended treatmen…

It can be worse than a placebo if it is not effective but physicians think it is: this would lead to patients not being given alternative (& effective) treatments - if any, or being less monitored since they are expected to get better with the drug.

Re: French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

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Post by jcelerier » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 1:39 PM UTC

rq1 wrote: post #5

Didier Raoult is one of the brightest scientists in the world. Period. There’s no “major” flaw in his studies as people keep repeating. He was studying viral load in patients and excluded those who were in ICU because they did not have enough virus left. Thus suggesting his cocktail as an early treatment. There is indeed pseudoscientists and corrupt ones who published the famous now but ridiculous study in “the lance…

> There’s no “major” flaw in his studies as people keep repeating.

ah, yes, it's all perfect. smh

https://www.les-crises.fr/the-tremendous-ethical-and-methodo...

Re: French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

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Post by tomohawk » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #7

tomohawk wrote: post #3

This is really counter productive and snarky. How does this advance science? There have been multiple studies on this, and it has been a mixed bag. This one is positive: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32418114/ There are others that are positive, and still others that are negative.

This award isn't about those other studies, it's about his choice to over-egg his research. > Subsequent analysis of Raoult’s data found that his sample size was incredibly small, with only 6 patients given the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination. The study was also found to be improperly controlled, and data was excluded for a number of patients whose condition worsened as they were either transferred to int…

You're going to fault a clinician working in a pandemic who has found an interesting result when all the experts are stumped?